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I mean, really? Mozilla's whole thing is integrity and principals. The Mozilla Manifesto is literally an ideology they probably don't want to be damned. I'd ha

I mean, really? Mozilla's whole thing is integrity and principals. The Mozilla Manifesto is literally an ideology they probably don't want to be damned. I'd have very much preferred them wait just 18 more hours and not have violated their privacy policies. What exactly is Firefox's selling point if their principals can be traded for speed and convenience? That's just another tech company.

outworlder 7y ago
> What exactly is Firefox's selling point if their principals can be traded for speed and convenience? That's just another tech company. If everyone cared as much as you do about this issue, then they'd have likely waited. The fact that they were jumping through hoops tells me that the users don't care, they want their crap fixed _right now_.
- JadeNB 7y ago
  > The fact that they were jumping through hoops tells me that the users don't care, they want their crap fixed _right now_. Surely what that tells you is that Mozilla thinks that users don't care, and want their crap fixed; in which case the policy might as well say "These policies will be applied unless their abrogation is necessary to fix your crap", or some appropriately dignified re-wording.
mimimi31 7y ago
They didn't remotely enable telemetry/studies though, right? If you were fine with waiting, you could have just not enabled it. I don't see how anything they did violated their privacy policies.
- gilrain 7y ago
  The policies that using Studies in this way violated are listed in my initial post. Those policies were created to prevent Studies from being used as a convenience. You might think violating them was justified, but that they were in fact violated is inarguable.
  - mimimi31 7y ago
    > The policies that using Studies in this way violated are listed in my initial post. You just claimed they had violated their privacy policy, not the shield studies guidelines. Your initial post doesn't say anything about their privacy policy. And as I said, your privacy wasn't affected at all if you didn't enable the studies yourself, so your point about rather waiting doesn't make sense either. > You might think violating them was justified, but that they were in fact violated is inarguable. You could argue that testing the fix meets the first two conditions you listed. I don't know if they actually provided that "Product Hypothesis Doc", but at that point you're really just looking for something to complain about.

outworlder 7y ago

> What exactly is Firefox's selling point if their principals can be traded for speed and convenience? That's just another tech company. If everyone cared as much as you do about this issue, then they'd have likely waited. The fact that they were jumping through hoops tells me that the users don't care, they want their crap fixed _right now_.

JadeNB 7y ago
> The fact that they were jumping through hoops tells me that the users don't care, they want their crap fixed _right now_. Surely what that tells you is that Mozilla thinks that users don't care, and want their crap fixed; in which case the policy might as well say "These policies will be applied unless their abrogation is necessary to fix your crap", or some appropriately dignified re-wording.

mimimi31 7y ago

They didn't remotely enable telemetry/studies though, right? If you were fine with waiting, you could have just not enabled it. I don't see how anything they did violated their privacy policies.

gilrain 7y ago
The policies that using Studies in this way violated are listed in my initial post. Those policies were created to prevent Studies from being used as a convenience. You might think violating them was justified, but that they were in fact violated is inarguable.
- mimimi31 7y ago
  > The policies that using Studies in this way violated are listed in my initial post. You just claimed they had violated their privacy policy, not the shield studies guidelines. Your initial post doesn't say anything about their privacy policy. And as I said, your privacy wasn't affected at all if you didn't enable the studies yourself, so your point about rather waiting doesn't make sense either. > You might think violating them was justified, but that they were in fact violated is inarguable. You could argue that testing the fix meets the first two conditions you listed. I don't know if they actually provided that "Product Hypothesis Doc", but at that point you're really just looking for something to complain about.