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>cloud infrastructure 2.0 provides significant performance and security capabilities over legacy cloud providers >secure hyperscale cloud solutions It's just

>cloud infrastructure 2.0 provides significant performance and security capabilities over legacy cloud providers >secure hyperscale cloud solutions It's just VMs and hosted services. I wanna gouge my fucking eyes out.

420codebro 7y ago
To you, maybe. But others, security in public/rented clouds is a serious concern.
easytiger 7y ago
cloud hysteria seems to be representative of some kind of mass amnesia about how computers work. It is only successful because it allows business boys with no real technical understanding to make sweeping infra changes to pad their CV
- cloakandswagger 7y ago
  Do you really believe that an industry worth hundreds of billions of dollars got to that point purely through hype? No benefit to platforms like AWS and Azure at all?
  - easytiger 7y ago
    I think the idea of being able to soon up instances of VPS is useful and some of the deployment tools useful. I find most "cloud native" crap to be so comically poor in performance that I just can't accept it makes sense to burn that many cpus to achieve so little. Perhaps I'm just a dinosaur
    - BubRoss 7y ago
      Using your computing resources well is for old people, get with the times!
- wmf 7y ago
  I wouldn't necessarily blame the business boys. Now that public cloud has existed for a decade, there's a whole generation of devops people who know nothing about infrastructure. (I assume most app developers never needed to understand it.) As long as the stork keeps delivering those VMs, who cares?
- kstrauser 7y ago
  I babysat servers for a couple of decades. Now I can concentrate on writing software, and some Terraform plans to glue all the components together, instead of screwing around with hard drive failures or power supplies or failing switch ports or [...]. If Amazon exploded tomorrow, I could rack up some white box servers and have a customer-facing cluster running by next week. You know, I don't want to do that stuff any more, though.
  - easytiger 7y ago
    I'm totally with you there. But that's VPS functionality. We've been doing that for 15+ years. I'm talking about paying $7k a year to put data in a cloud based DB node that can only handle 2k transactions a second. My other gripe is more complex and is about being asked to migrate an existing incredibly complex series of high performance applications which require very complex dark fibre connections to a cloud env.
  - specialist 7y ago
    Herding servers is "meh". I don't care who does it. I am legitimately excited by new divide & conquer strategies and meshes. (And some other stuff.) My problem with "cloud" is the negative impact on "architecture" caused by the resurrection of legacy "services" like message queues. It feels like the 90s all over again. Data feeds, ETL, storage, batches, RPCs, omg just kill me. At my last gig, one of the youngsters asked me why everything was so weird, hard to manage. I told her "Org is stuck with mainframe worldview. We're moving the data and we should be moving the code." Light bulbs.
    - easytiger 7y ago
      This is exactly what's happening. People are building utter nonsense software gluing bits of total junk junk together at considerable cost.

420codebro 7y ago

To you, maybe. But others, security in public/rented clouds is a serious concern.

easytiger 7y ago

cloud hysteria seems to be representative of some kind of mass amnesia about how computers work. It is only successful because it allows business boys with no real technical understanding to make sweeping infra changes to pad their CV

cloakandswagger 7y ago
Do you really believe that an industry worth hundreds of billions of dollars got to that point purely through hype? No benefit to platforms like AWS and Azure at all?
- easytiger 7y ago
  I think the idea of being able to soon up instances of VPS is useful and some of the deployment tools useful. I find most "cloud native" crap to be so comically poor in performance that I just can't accept it makes sense to burn that many cpus to achieve so little. Perhaps I'm just a dinosaur
  - BubRoss 7y ago
    Using your computing resources well is for old people, get with the times!
wmf 7y ago
I wouldn't necessarily blame the business boys. Now that public cloud has existed for a decade, there's a whole generation of devops people who know nothing about infrastructure. (I assume most app developers never needed to understand it.) As long as the stork keeps delivering those VMs, who cares?
kstrauser 7y ago
I babysat servers for a couple of decades. Now I can concentrate on writing software, and some Terraform plans to glue all the components together, instead of screwing around with hard drive failures or power supplies or failing switch ports or [...]. If Amazon exploded tomorrow, I could rack up some white box servers and have a customer-facing cluster running by next week. You know, I don't want to do that stuff any more, though.
- easytiger 7y ago
  I'm totally with you there. But that's VPS functionality. We've been doing that for 15+ years. I'm talking about paying $7k a year to put data in a cloud based DB node that can only handle 2k transactions a second. My other gripe is more complex and is about being asked to migrate an existing incredibly complex series of high performance applications which require very complex dark fibre connections to a cloud env.
- specialist 7y ago
  Herding servers is "meh". I don't care who does it. I am legitimately excited by new divide & conquer strategies and meshes. (And some other stuff.) My problem with "cloud" is the negative impact on "architecture" caused by the resurrection of legacy "services" like message queues. It feels like the 90s all over again. Data feeds, ETL, storage, batches, RPCs, omg just kill me. At my last gig, one of the youngsters asked me why everything was so weird, hard to manage. I told her "Org is stuck with mainframe worldview. We're moving the data and we should be moving the code." Light bulbs.
  - easytiger 7y ago
    This is exactly what's happening. People are building utter nonsense software gluing bits of total junk junk together at considerable cost.