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Exactly. Cooking your family a meal, or helping your neighbor repair their house doesn't increase the GDP. However, ordering food with Uber and hiring someone t

Exactly. Cooking your family a meal, or helping your neighbor repair their house doesn't increase the GDP. However, ordering food with Uber and hiring someone to work on your house does. Being involved in your community, helping your neighbors and family, etc, isn't a "productive" activity. Another good example is programming side projects. How many people are looking to make money on their side project? Rather then just help people? Or how many people only have side projects because they feel like they have to in order to stay competitive in the job market? Probably the vast majority. We've developed a culture where we fetishize productivity and always making money. People now feel guilty if they're not busy or productive all the time.

linuxftw 7y ago
Nothing fetishized about it at all. The middle class is being destroyed, it's eat or get eaten. Society is more competitive than it's ever been. It's going to get much worse.
cr0sh 7y ago
> People now feel guilty if they're not busy or productive all the time. People have forgotten the quality of Slack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Conspiracy_and_%22Slack%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Conspi...
- vonseel 7y ago
  TLDR for those of us who aren’t about to read this strange cult-like document?
coryrc 7y ago
They don't have to, they're just greedy and "need" to have a new BMW and Lexus every few years, live in fashionable neighborhoods in expensive metros, and have "important" jobs. You don't need that shit in Cleveland.
- BiosElement 7y ago
  Not everyone is how they appear and your disregard and assumption of greed is just sad. For example, I'm going to college, working 'and' working on a side project. I face the near future prospect of having to support myself and two parents, which hardly requires greed on my part. This situation is far from uncommon.
  - coryrc 7y ago
    You don't need a side project.

linuxftw 7y ago

Nothing fetishized about it at all. The middle class is being destroyed, it's eat or get eaten. Society is more competitive than it's ever been. It's going to get much worse.

cr0sh 7y ago

> People now feel guilty if they're not busy or productive all the time. People have forgotten the quality of Slack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Conspiracy_and_%22Slack%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Conspi...

vonseel 7y ago
TLDR for those of us who aren’t about to read this strange cult-like document?

coryrc 7y ago

They don't have to, they're just greedy and "need" to have a new BMW and Lexus every few years, live in fashionable neighborhoods in expensive metros, and have "important" jobs. You don't need that shit in Cleveland.

BiosElement 7y ago
Not everyone is how they appear and your disregard and assumption of greed is just sad. For example, I'm going to college, working 'and' working on a side project. I face the near future prospect of having to support myself and two parents, which hardly requires greed on my part. This situation is far from uncommon.
- coryrc 7y ago
  You don't need a side project.