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Interestingly the standard procedure in The Netherlands for medical emergencies (the ones where you find someone on the ground) changed to actually calling your

by bkor 7y ago

Interestingly the standard procedure in The Netherlands for medical emergencies (the ones where you find someone on the ground) changed to actually calling yourself over asking a random bystander. Aside from calling you should also put the phone on handsfree and lay it next to the person (on the ground). This as 112 (911) asks loads of questions. Age of the person, conscious yes/no, what does the skin look like, feel like, etc. If it's about CPR it'll be way easier of course... but procedure is also to call asap. Meaning right after you find the person on the ground.. not after you checked. I had to call 112 this week. In practice things are often different than any procedure ;)

Mordisquitos 7y ago
>Interestingly the standard procedure in The Netherlands for medical emergencies (the ones where you find someone on the ground) changed to actually calling yourself over asking a random bystander. Aside from calling you should also put the phone on handsfree and lay it next to the person (on the ground). I guess that the "tell a specific person to call 112/999/911" guideline is a leftover from the days where someone would need to physically go and find a wired phone from which to make the call. Nowadays, tending to the victim and making the call are mutually compatible in most situations.
diydsp 7y ago
I find this approach of taking individual responsibility much better than handing over authority to a "person in a uniform" as the GP stated. Sure it's easier to blindly trust the "official" one, but it sets up a disempowering dynamic where the group is clueless and only looking for a charismatic leader to point them in the right direction. For something cut as clearly as a fire alarm, there is no reason why everyone over 10 years old can not respond properly as single unit. > Instead of us staring at each other trying to decide whether the group considers it serious enough to go along with, just having that person singled out as the "official" one was enough to get the momentum going.
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- rurp 7y ago
  Authoritarian structures work quite well in crisis situations, where acting quickly is imperative. It's why the military has such a rigid command structure and political leaders have emergency powers. Democratic processes work better for longer term planning when there is time for debate, compromise, and developing a deeper understanding of the issues.

by bkor 7y ago

Mordisquitos 7y ago

>Interestingly the standard procedure in The Netherlands for medical emergencies (the ones where you find someone on the ground) changed to actually calling yourself over asking a random bystander. Aside from calling you should also put the phone on handsfree and lay it next to the person (on the ground). I guess that the "tell a specific person to call 112/999/911" guideline is a leftover from the days where someone would need to physically go and find a wired phone from which to make the call. Nowadays, tending to the victim and making the call are mutually compatible in most situations.

diydsp 7y ago

I find this approach of taking individual responsibility much better than handing over authority to a "person in a uniform" as the GP stated. Sure it's easier to blindly trust the "official" one, but it sets up a disempowering dynamic where the group is clueless and only looking for a charismatic leader to point them in the right direction. For something cut as clearly as a fire alarm, there is no reason why everyone over 10 years old can not respond properly as single unit. > Instead of us staring at each other trying to decide whether the group considers it serious enough to go along with, just having that person singled out as the "official" one was enough to get the momentum going.

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rurp 7y ago
Authoritarian structures work quite well in crisis situations, where acting quickly is imperative. It's why the military has such a rigid command structure and political leaders have emergency powers. Democratic processes work better for longer term planning when there is time for debate, compromise, and developing a deeper understanding of the issues.