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I'll go against the grain and defend this. I really, really love 1Password - it's UI is incredible and it works so well - it follows the "don't make me think" p

I'll go against the grain and defend this. I really, really love 1Password - it's UI is incredible and it works so well - it follows the "don't make me think" philosophy which I really appreciate and makes me feel respected. It feels like a default piece of Apple software in how well it integrates with OS X and iOS. The desktop PDF QR scanner is something I didn't even know was possible to do with software, it blows my mind every time I use it. 1Password X is perfect for Linux and a great solution to the distro fragmentation problem. So I don't know more about password management than Agilebits. They have a long history of really good ideas for their software. If they want me to use their cloud instead of local vault, that's probably a good idea. I'm more than happy to pay the $2-3 per month to have access to this, and knowing they have recurring revenue gives me confidence that they'll be around for a while.

kungtotte 7y ago
Keepass (I use keepassxc) works great across all three platforms I've used it on (Windows, Android, Linux) and the database is less than 100KB so it's easily shared on the free tier of any cloud storage provider. 1Password does have a good UX, but it's not the only option that does.
- davchana 7y ago
  +1 I am using Keepass windows & Android versions on my 3 phones & one laptop. The desktop database is synced to Dropbox two way any changes. FolderSync app is used to get one way sync only from Dropbox to Phone.
- jeltz 7y ago
  How do you sync your password file between your phone and your computer? Currently I only use KeepassXC on my computer but plan to start using it for more accounts so will need to have my passwords there too.
  - kungtotte 7y ago
    I use NextCloud myself to share the actual DB, and the keepass2android[0] app. It works great although the app looks for app names instead of URLs sometimes so you'll have to hit the search button. Takes two seconds longer but it's no sweat. You can use any file sharing service you want.
    - kungtotte 7y ago
      Even syncthing would work fine.
Perceptes 7y ago
I don't know how I never heard about 1Password X. The last time I attempted to switch from macOS to Linux, the lack of 1Pasword was one of the biggest things that made it hard for me. That said, a browser-based 1Password is really not what I want. I just really don't try web technologies for keeping my passwords safe. If I really was going to use it, this might be the only instance in which I'd actually prefer an Electron version to using it my main browser, just for the additional isolation.
- filmgirlcw 7y ago
  What 1PW recommends for people feeling unsure is a separate browser profile [1] just for 1PX. An Electron-based thing isn’t a bad idea tho. [1]: https://support.1password.com/1password-x-security/ https://support.1password.com/1password-x-security/
- valarauko 7y ago
  At least when I tried 1PX earlier this year, there was no data export options, which is only on native desktop (ie, OSX & Windows) apps.
- bwoodruff 7y ago
  Ben from 1Password here. We offer a couple options for Linux: https://support.1password.com/explore/linux/ https://support.1password.com/explore/linux/ Hopefully we can continue to expand upon these offerings. Our ops people are primarily Linux users, so we are aware of the challenges.
filmgirlcw 7y ago
I’m in total agreement. It’s the most important app I use and I’d pay 5x the $60 a year I spend on the family plan without question. I used 1PW with Dropbox for years and and years and it was a great solution — but I trust 1PW more than Dropbox to protect my stuff (and certainly more than I trust myself to setup and maintain a secure sync server), and I love 1PX. Also, the Windows app is lightyears ahead of where it was (the Windows Hello support is great), which I never thought I’d say. Yes, I know other solutions are cheaper, but I have been a 1PW user for 12 years and I want to ensure it’ll be there for 12 more. Plus, for me, the UX matters. I don’t just use 1PW for passwords, I keep software license, secure notes, all kinds of stuff in it. I’m not a fan of the subscriptionfication of course of everything, but this is one product I’ll make an exception for.
- Fnoord 7y ago
  What makes the 1Password UI better than LastPass' or Bitwarden's?
  - yladiz 7y ago
    For Lastpass at least, I have two specific examples: 1) in Lastpass, the password length selector is a drop down, not an input or a slider, while in 1password it is a slider. This means you need to scroll a bit to choose a longer length password in Lastpass. 2) 1password remembers your last location in the app when the app is open, so you don’t lose context (not every time but most of the time) but whenever I’ve closed Lastpass for some reason it forgets where I was at.
    - vageli 7y ago
      > For Lastpass at least, I have two specific examples: 1) in Lastpass, the password length selector is a drop down, not an input or a slider, while in 1password it is a slider. This means you need to scroll a bit to choose a longer length password in Lastpass. 2) 1password remembers your last location in the app when the app is open, so you don’t lose context (not every time but most of the time) but whenever I’ve closed Lastpass for some reason it forgets where I was at. 1. That's not true in the browser extension for chrome at least, where it is possible to type in numbers in the password length field. 2. Some people would consider the fact that it doesn't leak last information about use by retaining context as a feature.
colechristensen 7y ago
Being good at what you do does not excuse shady removal of features once your user base is big enough to drop functionality. Or more precisely it makes a person wonder what the next step will be to alienate users which aren't aligned with the vendor's interests.
- ahuth 7y ago
  Shady removal definitely isn’t good. On the other hand, every feature can’t be supported forever (or at least I wouldn’t want to). Seems that communication could’ve been better, though.
valarauko 7y ago
>1Password X is perfect for Linux and a great solution to the distro fragmentation problem. Yeah, no. 1PX has no means of data export. After 10 years on Lastpass, tried to give 1P a shot. Quickly grew frustrated within a month of the linux experience, and decided to move to Bitwarden. Turns out 1PX has no means of export, and I was stuck having to migrate each account by hand, and redoing the TOTPs. Bitwarden is substantially worse in terms of the UI, but at least I don't have to deal with vendor lockin.
- bwoodruff 7y ago
  Ben from 1Password here. This is a valid criticism. While it also doesn't have a direct export option our CLI may help with getting data out of 1Password on Linux: https://support.1password.com/command-line-getting-started/ https://support.1password.com/command-line-getting-started/ Hopefully in the future we can bring our robust export options to 1Password X and/or the 1Password.com web interface / CLI. We agree, export is important.
dwild 7y ago
> I'll go against the grain and defend this. People mostly complains about how they handled the situation, not about the product directly (there's many people that say that the product is superior yet will migrate because of their response). They weren't respectful and they didn't acknowledge their mistake of not showing any warning anywhere (instead deflecting to absurd justification). > knowing they have recurring revenue gives me confidence that they'll be around for a while. Recurring revenue is a thing that help sure, but supporting your existing user base (which he was part of) is another one. That thread show how they treat them. That give me confidence that if I get an issue, I'll get treated just as badly. I'll personally will be looking at an alternative, even though the product is pretty great, support is part of it (and in the case of a password manager, that's quite an important part of it).
pier25 7y ago
You are not defending this, you are simply saying you like 1Password.

kungtotte 7y ago

Keepass (I use keepassxc) works great across all three platforms I've used it on (Windows, Android, Linux) and the database is less than 100KB so it's easily shared on the free tier of any cloud storage provider. 1Password does have a good UX, but it's not the only option that does.

davchana 7y ago
+1 I am using Keepass windows & Android versions on my 3 phones & one laptop. The desktop database is synced to Dropbox two way any changes. FolderSync app is used to get one way sync only from Dropbox to Phone.
jeltz 7y ago
How do you sync your password file between your phone and your computer? Currently I only use KeepassXC on my computer but plan to start using it for more accounts so will need to have my passwords there too.
- kungtotte 7y ago
  I use NextCloud myself to share the actual DB, and the keepass2android[0] app. It works great although the app looks for app names instead of URLs sometimes so you'll have to hit the search button. Takes two seconds longer but it's no sweat. You can use any file sharing service you want.
  - kungtotte 7y ago
    Even syncthing would work fine.

Perceptes 7y ago

I don't know how I never heard about 1Password X. The last time I attempted to switch from macOS to Linux, the lack of 1Pasword was one of the biggest things that made it hard for me. That said, a browser-based 1Password is really not what I want. I just really don't try web technologies for keeping my passwords safe. If I really was going to use it, this might be the only instance in which I'd actually prefer an Electron version to using it my main browser, just for the additional isolation.

filmgirlcw 7y ago
What 1PW recommends for people feeling unsure is a separate browser profile [1] just for 1PX. An Electron-based thing isn’t a bad idea tho. [1]: https://support.1password.com/1password-x-security/ https://support.1password.com/1password-x-security/
valarauko 7y ago
At least when I tried 1PX earlier this year, there was no data export options, which is only on native desktop (ie, OSX & Windows) apps.
bwoodruff 7y ago
Ben from 1Password here. We offer a couple options for Linux: https://support.1password.com/explore/linux/ https://support.1password.com/explore/linux/ Hopefully we can continue to expand upon these offerings. Our ops people are primarily Linux users, so we are aware of the challenges.

filmgirlcw 7y ago

I’m in total agreement. It’s the most important app I use and I’d pay 5x the $60 a year I spend on the family plan without question. I used 1PW with Dropbox for years and and years and it was a great solution — but I trust 1PW more than Dropbox to protect my stuff (and certainly more than I trust myself to setup and maintain a secure sync server), and I love 1PX. Also, the Windows app is lightyears ahead of where it was (the Windows Hello support is great), which I never thought I’d say. Yes, I know other solutions are cheaper, but I have been a 1PW user for 12 years and I want to ensure it’ll be there for 12 more. Plus, for me, the UX matters. I don’t just use 1PW for passwords, I keep software license, secure notes, all kinds of stuff in it. I’m not a fan of the subscriptionfication of course of everything, but this is one product I’ll make an exception for.

Fnoord 7y ago
What makes the 1Password UI better than LastPass' or Bitwarden's?
- yladiz 7y ago
  For Lastpass at least, I have two specific examples: 1) in Lastpass, the password length selector is a drop down, not an input or a slider, while in 1password it is a slider. This means you need to scroll a bit to choose a longer length password in Lastpass. 2) 1password remembers your last location in the app when the app is open, so you don’t lose context (not every time but most of the time) but whenever I’ve closed Lastpass for some reason it forgets where I was at.
  - vageli 7y ago
    > For Lastpass at least, I have two specific examples: 1) in Lastpass, the password length selector is a drop down, not an input or a slider, while in 1password it is a slider. This means you need to scroll a bit to choose a longer length password in Lastpass. 2) 1password remembers your last location in the app when the app is open, so you don’t lose context (not every time but most of the time) but whenever I’ve closed Lastpass for some reason it forgets where I was at. 1. That's not true in the browser extension for chrome at least, where it is possible to type in numbers in the password length field. 2. Some people would consider the fact that it doesn't leak last information about use by retaining context as a feature.

colechristensen 7y ago

Being good at what you do does not excuse shady removal of features once your user base is big enough to drop functionality. Or more precisely it makes a person wonder what the next step will be to alienate users which aren't aligned with the vendor's interests.

ahuth 7y ago
Shady removal definitely isn’t good. On the other hand, every feature can’t be supported forever (or at least I wouldn’t want to). Seems that communication could’ve been better, though.

valarauko 7y ago

>1Password X is perfect for Linux and a great solution to the distro fragmentation problem. Yeah, no. 1PX has no means of data export. After 10 years on Lastpass, tried to give 1P a shot. Quickly grew frustrated within a month of the linux experience, and decided to move to Bitwarden. Turns out 1PX has no means of export, and I was stuck having to migrate each account by hand, and redoing the TOTPs. Bitwarden is substantially worse in terms of the UI, but at least I don't have to deal with vendor lockin.

bwoodruff 7y ago
Ben from 1Password here. This is a valid criticism. While it also doesn't have a direct export option our CLI may help with getting data out of 1Password on Linux: https://support.1password.com/command-line-getting-started/ https://support.1password.com/command-line-getting-started/ Hopefully in the future we can bring our robust export options to 1Password X and/or the 1Password.com web interface / CLI. We agree, export is important.

dwild 7y ago

> I'll go against the grain and defend this. People mostly complains about how they handled the situation, not about the product directly (there's many people that say that the product is superior yet will migrate because of their response). They weren't respectful and they didn't acknowledge their mistake of not showing any warning anywhere (instead deflecting to absurd justification). > knowing they have recurring revenue gives me confidence that they'll be around for a while. Recurring revenue is a thing that help sure, but supporting your existing user base (which he was part of) is another one. That thread show how they treat them. That give me confidence that if I get an issue, I'll get treated just as badly. I'll personally will be looking at an alternative, even though the product is pretty great, support is part of it (and in the case of a password manager, that's quite an important part of it).

pier25 7y ago

You are not defending this, you are simply saying you like 1Password.