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Removing a feature that has a huge chance to cause an unknowing user to shoot themselves in the foot. Sure, it should have had a mention in the the changelog, b

by Operyl 7y ago

Removing a feature that has a huge chance to cause an unknowing user to shoot themselves in the foot. Sure, it should have had a mention in the the changelog, but I think this is a completely sensible thing to have done long term. You can still sync with Dropbox or the app over WiFi which shows me they're not doing this to force you into some subscription.

cgriswald 7y ago
Sure, there’s good reasons why you might remove it but the subscription model reason is more compelling to me, a long-time user. I’m still with them for now but my trust is significantly reduced and I’m shopping around.
- Operyl 7y ago
  I don't agree because they removed a feature that, frankly, would just cause a user to lose all their passwords if they lost their device. There's still two other sync methods that don't use their service, and one of which is direct to another device without going through a third party.
  - cgriswald 7y ago
    The best case scenario here is they are terrible at communicating changes that might have a significant impact on my workflow. But that’s only if we look at this single incident and ignore other significant changes, also with reasons but also trending toward subscription and also with poor communication. This is why it is significant that I am a long term user. I’ve felt that push and it informs my perspective.
manicdee 7y ago
WLAN sync is only available in the subscription version though, you can’t use it with the standalone licence. Quite bizarre since the standalone licence is the one more likely to want it.
- bwoodruff 7y ago
  Hi manicdee. Ben from 1Password here. I'm sorry for any confusion we've caused, but this is not correct. It is quite the opposite. The WLAN Server in 1Password for Mac can _only_ sync _standalone_ vaults (not membership vaults). It is available with a 1Password 7 for Mac license.
  - manicdee 7y ago
    You are confused. I was talking about stand alone licences, not stand alone vaults. I will not use a 1Password.com account regardless of the country it is hosted in because I do not trust AgileBits or any government, especially not a Five Eyes entity. Despite the lengths that AgileBits have gone to to hide the option of buying a stand-alone licence, there was one page which I can’t find now listing the benefits of each licence side by side, and it clearly stated “no wlan sync” and “no multi factor authentication” in the column for licence over subscription. The rest of the language tries to make it sound like a good thing to have my secrets hosted on a site I do not control. In the end I bought a subscription — purely for access to wlan sync and OTP — because it’s about the same price I have been paying for previous paid upgrades and Pro features. Also note that for 1Password 6 users who bought the Pro features, the upgrade splash screen states that 1Password 7 is a “paid upgrade” not a “subscription required for Pro features”. For the moment I will be treating the 12 month subscription as an opportunity to explore other options before the subscription rates inevitably rise and the feature set moves inexorably towards hosting over private vault management. Not. Happy. Jan.

by Operyl 7y ago

cgriswald 7y ago

Sure, there’s good reasons why you might remove it but the subscription model reason is more compelling to me, a long-time user. I’m still with them for now but my trust is significantly reduced and I’m shopping around.

Operyl 7y ago
I don't agree because they removed a feature that, frankly, would just cause a user to lose all their passwords if they lost their device. There's still two other sync methods that don't use their service, and one of which is direct to another device without going through a third party.
- cgriswald 7y ago
  The best case scenario here is they are terrible at communicating changes that might have a significant impact on my workflow. But that’s only if we look at this single incident and ignore other significant changes, also with reasons but also trending toward subscription and also with poor communication. This is why it is significant that I am a long term user. I’ve felt that push and it informs my perspective.

manicdee 7y ago

WLAN sync is only available in the subscription version though, you can’t use it with the standalone licence. Quite bizarre since the standalone licence is the one more likely to want it.

bwoodruff 7y ago
Hi manicdee. Ben from 1Password here. I'm sorry for any confusion we've caused, but this is not correct. It is quite the opposite. The WLAN Server in 1Password for Mac can _only_ sync _standalone_ vaults (not membership vaults). It is available with a 1Password 7 for Mac license.
- manicdee 7y ago
  You are confused. I was talking about stand alone licences, not stand alone vaults. I will not use a 1Password.com account regardless of the country it is hosted in because I do not trust AgileBits or any government, especially not a Five Eyes entity. Despite the lengths that AgileBits have gone to to hide the option of buying a stand-alone licence, there was one page which I can’t find now listing the benefits of each licence side by side, and it clearly stated “no wlan sync” and “no multi factor authentication” in the column for licence over subscription. The rest of the language tries to make it sound like a good thing to have my secrets hosted on a site I do not control. In the end I bought a subscription — purely for access to wlan sync and OTP — because it’s about the same price I have been paying for previous paid upgrades and Pro features. Also note that for 1Password 6 users who bought the Pro features, the upgrade splash screen states that 1Password 7 is a “paid upgrade” not a “subscription required for Pro features”. For the moment I will be treating the 12 month subscription as an opportunity to explore other options before the subscription rates inevitably rise and the feature set moves inexorably towards hosting over private vault management. Not. Happy. Jan.