> You want your opponent to fold more often than not when you have thin value because more often than not you’re actually beat. No, that is simply not true. If

> You want your opponent to fold more often than not when you have thin value because more often than not you’re actually beat. No, that is simply not true. If I am betting for value, then I want my opponent to call no matter how weak I am or how thin it is. > But you don’t know the other person is holding KK when you’re betting for “thin value” on the river. Then it's a value bet. As you said, it's not defined by the outcome.