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The Microsoft Teams client on the Mac is the worst program I have to deal with on a routine basis. While Teams + 365 + SharePoint, overall is a good set of func

The Microsoft Teams client on the Mac is the worst program I have to deal with on a routine basis. While Teams + 365 + SharePoint, overall is a good set of functionality brought together as a product... I frequently find those pieces of functionality that belong to Teams, have been assembled in a way that I find totally incomprehensible. Like how the Mac desktop client implemented their own pop up notifications windows. They don’t correctly pop to the foreground, they don’t work when your in a full screen app, and to add insult to injury, the presence of the “window” that shows notifications frequently breaks the ability to command-tab over into the Teams application because it will have taken focus to ostensibly show a popup, but not returned it so when I’m eventually asked to check something in Teams I have to head to the dock to manually pick the real Teams client window.

BostonEnginerd 7y ago
The only thing worse is Skype for Business on the Mac. It's the worst business software that I need to use.
- cosmie 7y ago
  And the only thing worse than that is throwing interop/coexistence mode[1][2] into the mix. It's basically a force multiplier on the hell of using Skype for Business with a Mac. It takes the already gimped Skype for Business on the Mac, and adds a multiplier effect. [1] Interop mode is designed for a progressive rollout/migration from Skype for Business to Teams. On an all-Windows deployment it generally works well enough to get by with a few annoying UX-related hassles getting passed between the two apps. But throw Mac machines into the mix, with already gimped client functionality, and interop mode just sort of breaks you to the point of having an aversion to any work that involves calls/meetings/chats with coworkers. [2] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/MicrosoftTeams/coexistence-chat-calls-presence https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/MicrosoftTeams/coexistence-...
mistermann 7y ago
It is similarly horrible on Windows. I utterly boggles my mind how a team of people can write software with such a terrible UI, you'd think someone would notice.
- telltruth 7y ago
  I don’t work there but have heard from people who used to be there... that team is full of program managers who call themselves designers and live in delusion that Steve Jobs have possessed them. This is why you see funcky UX which pretends to be minimal, different and at the same time horrible to use. To complement these deluded people, there are highly paid architects (“partner” levels) who can’t code but make stupid decisions on how someone should code. Top brass there are usual managers/VPs who can’t code, can’t design and rarely depends on their own products. This is how bad software is made. Teams is perfect antithesis of old Microsoft which used to be full of brilliant wiz kids that can pull miracles and where PMs were kept to minimum and instructed to stay out of their way.
  - mistermann 7y ago
    Relevant: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/11/21/choices-headaches/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/11/21/choices-headaches/

BostonEnginerd 7y ago

The only thing worse is Skype for Business on the Mac. It's the worst business software that I need to use.

cosmie 7y ago
And the only thing worse than that is throwing interop/coexistence mode[1][2] into the mix. It's basically a force multiplier on the hell of using Skype for Business with a Mac. It takes the already gimped Skype for Business on the Mac, and adds a multiplier effect. [1] Interop mode is designed for a progressive rollout/migration from Skype for Business to Teams. On an all-Windows deployment it generally works well enough to get by with a few annoying UX-related hassles getting passed between the two apps. But throw Mac machines into the mix, with already gimped client functionality, and interop mode just sort of breaks you to the point of having an aversion to any work that involves calls/meetings/chats with coworkers. [2] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/MicrosoftTeams/coexistence-chat-calls-presence https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/MicrosoftTeams/coexistence-...

mistermann 7y ago

It is similarly horrible on Windows. I utterly boggles my mind how a team of people can write software with such a terrible UI, you'd think someone would notice.

telltruth 7y ago
I don’t work there but have heard from people who used to be there... that team is full of program managers who call themselves designers and live in delusion that Steve Jobs have possessed them. This is why you see funcky UX which pretends to be minimal, different and at the same time horrible to use. To complement these deluded people, there are highly paid architects (“partner” levels) who can’t code but make stupid decisions on how someone should code. Top brass there are usual managers/VPs who can’t code, can’t design and rarely depends on their own products. This is how bad software is made. Teams is perfect antithesis of old Microsoft which used to be full of brilliant wiz kids that can pull miracles and where PMs were kept to minimum and instructed to stay out of their way.
- mistermann 7y ago
  Relevant: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/11/21/choices-headaches/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/11/21/choices-headaches/