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The US tries not to be a papers please police state where it's a crime not to carry papers with you and present them on demand. We consider systems like that to

The US tries not to be a papers please police state where it's a crime not to carry papers with you and present them on demand. We consider systems like that to be totalitarian and despotic based on our past experiences observing and waging war against hostile oppressive nations with such systems.

patrick5415 7y ago
He/she is not making this up. This is pretty much exactly how I think. When somebody says, “don’t want to be arrested by a bot? Just carry you papers!”, that sounds like absolutely evil tyranny to me.
foofoo55 7y ago
> We consider systems like that to be totalitarian Who is "we"? Non-citizens of the USA are required to carry their immigration status documents with them, [1] and checkpoints within the 100-mile border zone (where 2/3 of the population lives [2]) are one place where they must be presented. If you are a US citizen without proof, and are stopped, and the official thinks you are lying, I believe you are going to have A Bad Day. [1] https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention/your-rights-border-zone https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-right... [2] https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
- AdrianB1 7y ago
  Well, in most cases "we" means the permanent legal inhabitants, not tourists. Legislation is not created by tourists.
  - facorreia 7y ago
    Permanent legal residents are required to carry their IDs.
- wcoenen 7y ago
  > If you are a US citizen without proof, and are stopped, and the official thinks you are lying, I believe you are going to have A Bad Day. e.g. US citizen Valeria Alvarado was shot and killed when she panicked and tried to get away from plainclothes CBP agents.
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facorreia 7y ago
The US requires permanent residents to carry their green cards at all times.

patrick5415 7y ago

He/she is not making this up. This is pretty much exactly how I think. When somebody says, “don’t want to be arrested by a bot? Just carry you papers!”, that sounds like absolutely evil tyranny to me.

foofoo55 7y ago

> We consider systems like that to be totalitarian Who is "we"? Non-citizens of the USA are required to carry their immigration status documents with them, [1] and checkpoints within the 100-mile border zone (where 2/3 of the population lives [2]) are one place where they must be presented. If you are a US citizen without proof, and are stopped, and the official thinks you are lying, I believe you are going to have A Bad Day. [1] https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention/your-rights-border-zone https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-right... [2] https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

AdrianB1 7y ago
Well, in most cases "we" means the permanent legal inhabitants, not tourists. Legislation is not created by tourists.
- facorreia 7y ago
  Permanent legal residents are required to carry their IDs.
wcoenen 7y ago
> If you are a US citizen without proof, and are stopped, and the official thinks you are lying, I believe you are going to have A Bad Day. e.g. US citizen Valeria Alvarado was shot and killed when she panicked and tried to get away from plainclothes CBP agents.

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facorreia 7y ago

The US requires permanent residents to carry their green cards at all times.