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For the first issue, carry your documents. I've been taught that since I first got my ID at 12yo. My understanding is that the automation is to verify people w

For the first issue, carry your documents. I've been taught that since I first got my ID at 12yo. My understanding is that the automation is to verify people who are needed by law, right? They don't voluntarily hear a beep and go into the jail. There are police officers that still have to arrest them and check their documents. The situation is so bad in Rio that society simply will have to deal with any deficiencies in the automated system. It will still be better than the current reality. The fact that police officers are probably not giving people of color enough flexibility in situations like these is beyond the scope of the automation system. EDIT: Carrying your documents is not a popular opinion among the US audience, I understand. Still, I find it very reasonable and I think the situation that happened to this woman is being blown out of proportion.

droithomme 7y ago
The US tries not to be a papers please police state where it's a crime not to carry papers with you and present them on demand. We consider systems like that to be totalitarian and despotic based on our past experiences observing and waging war against hostile oppressive nations with such systems.
- patrick5415 7y ago
  He/she is not making this up. This is pretty much exactly how I think. When somebody says, “don’t want to be arrested by a bot? Just carry you papers!”, that sounds like absolutely evil tyranny to me.
- foofoo55 7y ago
  > We consider systems like that to be totalitarian Who is "we"? Non-citizens of the USA are required to carry their immigration status documents with them, [1] and checkpoints within the 100-mile border zone (where 2/3 of the population lives [2]) are one place where they must be presented. If you are a US citizen without proof, and are stopped, and the official thinks you are lying, I believe you are going to have A Bad Day. [1] https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention/your-rights-border-zone https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-right... [2] https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
  - AdrianB1 7y ago
    Well, in most cases "we" means the permanent legal inhabitants, not tourists. Legislation is not created by tourists.
    - facorreia 7y ago
      Permanent legal residents are required to carry their IDs.
  - wcoenen 7y ago
    > If you are a US citizen without proof, and are stopped, and the official thinks you are lying, I believe you are going to have A Bad Day. e.g. US citizen Valeria Alvarado was shot and killed when she panicked and tried to get away from plainclothes CBP agents.
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- facorreia 7y ago
  The US requires permanent residents to carry their green cards at all times.
NikolaNovak 7y ago
Indeed, notion of carrying your documents is very culturally dependent, from a rational decision to quasi-religious fervently-held belief. Coming from Eastern Europe originally, I carry my ID everywhere as a matter of habit in Canada; but in turn get very very very nervous and uncomfortable if it's taken from me (for example, at hotels in some countries, or at the border for a quick check).

droithomme 7y ago

The US tries not to be a papers please police state where it's a crime not to carry papers with you and present them on demand. We consider systems like that to be totalitarian and despotic based on our past experiences observing and waging war against hostile oppressive nations with such systems.

patrick5415 7y ago
He/she is not making this up. This is pretty much exactly how I think. When somebody says, “don’t want to be arrested by a bot? Just carry you papers!”, that sounds like absolutely evil tyranny to me.
foofoo55 7y ago
> We consider systems like that to be totalitarian Who is "we"? Non-citizens of the USA are required to carry their immigration status documents with them, [1] and checkpoints within the 100-mile border zone (where 2/3 of the population lives [2]) are one place where they must be presented. If you are a US citizen without proof, and are stopped, and the official thinks you are lying, I believe you are going to have A Bad Day. [1] https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention/your-rights-border-zone https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-right... [2] https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
- AdrianB1 7y ago
  Well, in most cases "we" means the permanent legal inhabitants, not tourists. Legislation is not created by tourists.
  - facorreia 7y ago
    Permanent legal residents are required to carry their IDs.
- wcoenen 7y ago
  > If you are a US citizen without proof, and are stopped, and the official thinks you are lying, I believe you are going to have A Bad Day. e.g. US citizen Valeria Alvarado was shot and killed when she panicked and tried to get away from plainclothes CBP agents.
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facorreia 7y ago
The US requires permanent residents to carry their green cards at all times.

NikolaNovak 7y ago

Indeed, notion of carrying your documents is very culturally dependent, from a rational decision to quasi-religious fervently-held belief. Coming from Eastern Europe originally, I carry my ID everywhere as a matter of habit in Canada; but in turn get very very very nervous and uncomfortable if it's taken from me (for example, at hotels in some countries, or at the border for a quick check).