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Another cynical way or looking at it is Amazon kills two birds with one stone. More employee built to exactly fit an Amazon need while having mostly been traine

Another cynical way or looking at it is Amazon kills two birds with one stone. More employee built to exactly fit an Amazon need while having mostly been trained on non-standard tooling and process that make it difficult to transfer companies. Because of this, and preconceptions of what a good salary is mixed with talking about comp being a bit of a no-no in the US, Amazon could get away with paying these developers a lot lower than market rate. From my personal experience my first ever eng job was at 50k/year. I had no idea that was messed up before telling a co-worker/manager that's what I made and had them laugh thinking I was joking which followed into awkward silence followed by "you need a raise". Something else to worry about is "internal trained" vs "external trained" devs might stratify.

taurath 7y ago
My first dev salary was about the same. But I had no experience at the time. I don't think its a bad thing - I'm fine with first-year devs with no experience making a low amount. BUT, if you want to keep people past a year or two you have to start paying them near market rate. Its too easy to get a job elsewhere.
cr0sh 7y ago
> From my personal experience my first ever eng job was at 50k/year. You think that's messed up? In 1992, I got my first dev job at 19 years old. Prior to that, I had worked as a cashier at Osco, being paid minimum wage ($4.25/hr back then, IIRC). When I got the dev job, my hourly salary was bumped to...$7.50/hr! WooHoo! Rolling in money! Seriously, I thought it was great, almost doubling what I made before. However, I never wanted to be a software engineer - in fact, at the time, I didn't even know it was a "job" (I honestly don't know why - but that's what I thought at the time). I just kinda fell into it. I didn't know what such a job paid, I certainly didn't know what junior devs were paid at that time - but today, knowing better - I'm pretty sure I got conned on that deal. Sadly, I think it has colored my earnings (lifetime) to an extent ever since. I'm not at the top of my earning potential here where I live - but I believe I am doing well enough, considering my smaller employer; in order to get at or near the top for this area - which is not SV levels by any means - but COL is nothing like that, either - I would need to work for a much larger employer, and I can't stand the politics of such a workplace. So I "trade" a bit of my salary for piece of mind and working with a smaller company closer to home. So while my lifetime earnings may be smaller due to what happened at that first employer and my ignorance, I also bear some of that blame due to my own choices. So I can't complain too much.
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taurath 7y ago

My first dev salary was about the same. But I had no experience at the time. I don't think its a bad thing - I'm fine with first-year devs with no experience making a low amount. BUT, if you want to keep people past a year or two you have to start paying them near market rate. Its too easy to get a job elsewhere.

cr0sh 7y ago

> From my personal experience my first ever eng job was at 50k/year. You think that's messed up? In 1992, I got my first dev job at 19 years old. Prior to that, I had worked as a cashier at Osco, being paid minimum wage ($4.25/hr back then, IIRC). When I got the dev job, my hourly salary was bumped to...$7.50/hr! WooHoo! Rolling in money! Seriously, I thought it was great, almost doubling what I made before. However, I never wanted to be a software engineer - in fact, at the time, I didn't even know it was a "job" (I honestly don't know why - but that's what I thought at the time). I just kinda fell into it. I didn't know what such a job paid, I certainly didn't know what junior devs were paid at that time - but today, knowing better - I'm pretty sure I got conned on that deal. Sadly, I think it has colored my earnings (lifetime) to an extent ever since. I'm not at the top of my earning potential here where I live - but I believe I am doing well enough, considering my smaller employer; in order to get at or near the top for this area - which is not SV levels by any means - but COL is nothing like that, either - I would need to work for a much larger employer, and I can't stand the politics of such a workplace. So I "trade" a bit of my salary for piece of mind and working with a smaller company closer to home. So while my lifetime earnings may be smaller due to what happened at that first employer and my ignorance, I also bear some of that blame due to my own choices. So I can't complain too much.

ujoh1 7y ago
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