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I'm half-convinced of the notion that the "Pizzagate" idea was spread on the plan that "whatever our side is about to be accused of, make sure that the other si

I'm half-convinced of the notion that the "Pizzagate" idea was spread on the plan that "whatever our side is about to be accused of, make sure that the other side is accused of it first". It's like projection, only not unconscious; it's deliberate deflection to make the real thing look less believable when it comes up. What I am more certain of, is that in general in modern politics, disinformation has been weaponized to a high degree.

bitlax 7y ago
That doesn't make sense since Democrats were accused of having sex with minors in both cases.
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  The first is a loony conspiracy theory. The second appears to have a variety of folks from both ends of the political spectrum (and internationally) entwined, including Bill Clinton, but balanced with Trump and his Secretary of Labor on the other side of things. I fully expect it to involve a variety of non-political folks, as well as internationally.
- SideburnsOfDoom 7y ago
  Which Democrat said that Epstein was a great guy who they like to have fun with? Which democrat was possibly introduced to their beautiful wife by Epstein ?
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    I'm liberal as all get out, but it seems clear Epstein was an equal-opportunity cultivator of powerful figures in both parties. Trump's being dumb enough to publicly brag about the association is very on-brand, of course.
    - Fjolsvith 7y ago
      > I'm liberal as all get out, but it seems clear Epstein was an equal-opportunity cultivator of powerful figures in both parties. > Trump's being dumb enough to publicly brag about the association is very on-brand, of course. Trump is playing the main street media like a violin. If you are thinking he is doing something because he seems stupid, it's just part of the plan. Trump did say back in 2012 that the pedophiles had to go. [1] And, since his inauguration, the massive crackdown on them has largely gone unreported. 1. https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/255294883680632833?lang=en https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/2552948836...
      - ceejayoz 7y ago
        Trump also said he wouldn't take vacations like Obama (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/270609412480192513 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/27060941248019251...) and that he'd stand up for the LGBT community (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742771576039460864 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/74277157603946086...). His Twitter pronouncements are so commonly contradictory to his actual actions or subsequent tweets that there's an entire subreddit of them: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrumpCriticizesTrump https://www.reddit.com/r/TrumpCriticizesTrump
        Fjolsvith 7y ago
        Yeah well he's been rounding up those pedos up so I can forgive him some inconsistencies. [1] 1. https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/trump-busts-1500-pedophiles-media-keeps-silent https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/trump-busts-1500...
        ceejayoz 7y ago
        My favorite part of that article is definitely "The MSM refuses to report on President Trump's war on pedophiles and on child sex-trafficking rings in spite of the recent avalanche of arrests which include the following:" where "the following" is a list of links to MSM articles. Debunking yourself in your own story is... special. edit: Here's a thorough debunking of the core claim. https://reason.com/2017/02/27/trumps-fake-crackdown-on-sex-trafficking/ https://reason.com/2017/02/27/trumps-fake-crackdown-on-sex-t...
  - dang 7y ago
    Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, especially partisan flamewar. Yes, this thread was a wreck to begin with, but it's still not ok to break the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

bitlax 7y ago

That doesn't make sense since Democrats were accused of having sex with minors in both cases.

ceejayoz 7y ago
The first is a loony conspiracy theory. The second appears to have a variety of folks from both ends of the political spectrum (and internationally) entwined, including Bill Clinton, but balanced with Trump and his Secretary of Labor on the other side of things. I fully expect it to involve a variety of non-political folks, as well as internationally.
SideburnsOfDoom 7y ago
Which Democrat said that Epstein was a great guy who they like to have fun with? Which democrat was possibly introduced to their beautiful wife by Epstein ?
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  I'm liberal as all get out, but it seems clear Epstein was an equal-opportunity cultivator of powerful figures in both parties. Trump's being dumb enough to publicly brag about the association is very on-brand, of course.
  - Fjolsvith 7y ago
    > I'm liberal as all get out, but it seems clear Epstein was an equal-opportunity cultivator of powerful figures in both parties. > Trump's being dumb enough to publicly brag about the association is very on-brand, of course. Trump is playing the main street media like a violin. If you are thinking he is doing something because he seems stupid, it's just part of the plan. Trump did say back in 2012 that the pedophiles had to go. [1] And, since his inauguration, the massive crackdown on them has largely gone unreported. 1. https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/255294883680632833?lang=en https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/2552948836...
    - ceejayoz 7y ago
      Trump also said he wouldn't take vacations like Obama (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/270609412480192513 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/27060941248019251...) and that he'd stand up for the LGBT community (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742771576039460864 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/74277157603946086...). His Twitter pronouncements are so commonly contradictory to his actual actions or subsequent tweets that there's an entire subreddit of them: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrumpCriticizesTrump https://www.reddit.com/r/TrumpCriticizesTrump
      - Fjolsvith 7y ago
        Yeah well he's been rounding up those pedos up so I can forgive him some inconsistencies. [1] 1. https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/trump-busts-1500-pedophiles-media-keeps-silent https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/trump-busts-1500...
        ceejayoz 7y ago
        My favorite part of that article is definitely "The MSM refuses to report on President Trump's war on pedophiles and on child sex-trafficking rings in spite of the recent avalanche of arrests which include the following:" where "the following" is a list of links to MSM articles. Debunking yourself in your own story is... special. edit: Here's a thorough debunking of the core claim. https://reason.com/2017/02/27/trumps-fake-crackdown-on-sex-trafficking/ https://reason.com/2017/02/27/trumps-fake-crackdown-on-sex-t...
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, especially partisan flamewar. Yes, this thread was a wreck to begin with, but it's still not ok to break the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html