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Thanks for this precision. Knowing this detail about aircraft parts seems to change the dynamic though. I have to disagree with one point though: “American wi

Thanks for this precision. Knowing this detail about aircraft parts seems to change the dynamic though. I have to disagree with one point though: “American wine is better than French wine....” (gulp!).

rusk 7y ago
Maybe white wine, but reds? Euch Merlot ... EDIT though I do like a nice Zinfandel, the sheer range offered by the French producers is unmatched.
- jklepatch 7y ago
  I might have to try more american wine before making a definite opinion. Where are the best wine produced in america? California?
geocar 7y ago
A certain amount of that is certainly tongue-in-cheek. I think if you compare a $20 wine in California to a €10 wine you buy somewhere along the Garonne, you're probably going to enjoy the French wine more. But we're talking about what changes buying-behaviour, and it's important to consider that as a savvy shopper in the US you can go into a wine shop and buy everything under $20, and you'll find local wins. That's how you anchor your expectations about prices and quality. Now whether that's because of duty/import or it's because of shipping, or it's simply because only big brands will bother exporting is, or any other reason, those reasons are out of scope simply because a tariff isn't going to change them in the slightest.
- user5994461 7y ago
  For reference, French wine in France can be had for 3 or 4 euros a 75 cl bottle. That's for good wine. There are cheaper wines available of course. If you're saying $20, you must be talking about a 6 pack ;)
  - pyrale 7y ago
    > For reference, French wine in France can be had for 3 or 4 euros a 75 cl bottle. This legend about french cheap wine is getting better and better everytime I hear it. 3-4€ is the low price for wine in a bottle. Some are decent, some are utter shit. But that's not "for good wine". That's entry level, which sometimes is decent. I know some of the export wine is cooking-grade shit and people don't know the difference. But for people versed in wine in the US, the €3-4 bottles aren't going to cut it.
    - user5994461 7y ago
      I don't know how it is in a WallMart in the US but in a French Carrefour there can be a 20 meter long aisle dedicated to wines and spirituous, possibly both sides of the aisle. That's a huge selection covering all types of wine for as little as a few euros. Price is not a predictor of anything, there are both good and bad wines all over the place. Wine is truly a commodity in France. There are very few people paying 10€ a bottle unless you're talking Champagne, that's not considered a wine. edit: See for yourself https://www.carrefour.fr/r/boissons-et-cave-a-vins/cave-a-vins?sort=facet_price&noRedirect=0 https://www.carrefour.fr/r/boissons-et-cave-a-vins/cave-a-vi...
      - pyrale 7y ago
        I am french. I know the supermarkets, and still I frequently buy bottles above 10€. My demographic is not small, there are just many people that can't afford storage space for bottles and don't want to buy entry-level wine.

rusk 7y ago

Maybe white wine, but reds? Euch Merlot ... EDIT though I do like a nice Zinfandel, the sheer range offered by the French producers is unmatched.

jklepatch 7y ago
I might have to try more american wine before making a definite opinion. Where are the best wine produced in america? California?

geocar 7y ago

A certain amount of that is certainly tongue-in-cheek. I think if you compare a $20 wine in California to a €10 wine you buy somewhere along the Garonne, you're probably going to enjoy the French wine more. But we're talking about what changes buying-behaviour, and it's important to consider that as a savvy shopper in the US you can go into a wine shop and buy everything under $20, and you'll find local wins. That's how you anchor your expectations about prices and quality. Now whether that's because of duty/import or it's because of shipping, or it's simply because only big brands will bother exporting is, or any other reason, those reasons are out of scope simply because a tariff isn't going to change them in the slightest.

user5994461 7y ago
For reference, French wine in France can be had for 3 or 4 euros a 75 cl bottle. That's for good wine. There are cheaper wines available of course. If you're saying $20, you must be talking about a 6 pack ;)
- pyrale 7y ago
  > For reference, French wine in France can be had for 3 or 4 euros a 75 cl bottle. This legend about french cheap wine is getting better and better everytime I hear it. 3-4€ is the low price for wine in a bottle. Some are decent, some are utter shit. But that's not "for good wine". That's entry level, which sometimes is decent. I know some of the export wine is cooking-grade shit and people don't know the difference. But for people versed in wine in the US, the €3-4 bottles aren't going to cut it.
  - user5994461 7y ago
    I don't know how it is in a WallMart in the US but in a French Carrefour there can be a 20 meter long aisle dedicated to wines and spirituous, possibly both sides of the aisle. That's a huge selection covering all types of wine for as little as a few euros. Price is not a predictor of anything, there are both good and bad wines all over the place. Wine is truly a commodity in France. There are very few people paying 10€ a bottle unless you're talking Champagne, that's not considered a wine. edit: See for yourself https://www.carrefour.fr/r/boissons-et-cave-a-vins/cave-a-vins?sort=facet_price&noRedirect=0 https://www.carrefour.fr/r/boissons-et-cave-a-vins/cave-a-vi...
    - pyrale 7y ago
      I am french. I know the supermarkets, and still I frequently buy bottles above 10€. My demographic is not small, there are just many people that can't afford storage space for bottles and don't want to buy entry-level wine.