yes, but you forget to mention that before the second crash they actually disabled the stab trim motors and they couldn't manually correct the trim trying to tu

yes, but you forget to mention that before the second crash they actually disabled the stab trim motors and they couldn't manually correct the trim trying to turn the wheel with all their strength so they had to reengage them and that activated again MCAS and puff.. Or are you saying that is their fault because they should have been stronger than that killing machine?