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> apart from the whole not dying in a mass extinction event within our lifetimes... Each of as will die anyway so I doubt if anyone can treat not dying in mass
by chewz 7y ago
> apart from the whole not dying in a mass extinction event within our lifetimes...
Each of as will die anyway so I doubt if anyone can treat not dying in mass extinction as a real benefit.
But clean air, fresh water, free energy, bike paths in place of roads, walking in a forrest, less trash, diving in reefs that ain't bleaching to death - this is more motivating for me.
- kohanz 7y agoHow would an early death for some future generation of ours not be motivating to avoid, if possible? I'd rather my kids or grandkids, etc, not have to live on a planet with an unlivable climate situation.
- chewz 7y agoI guess people have different attitudes and motivations. If you want global action you should motivate most people not just similarly minded. Also many people are motivated by visible change rather then abstract concepts I think.
- theon144 7y ago"Future for my children" isn't exactly that abstract to most people...
- noir_lord 7y agoYou'd think that then you look at the way older people as a bloc vote in ways that shaft their offspring.
- baq 7y agodepends, some people don't have the privilege to be thinking decades ahead if their worry is getting enough food to live through the next week.
- mises 7y agoAnd yet people voted for social security, medicare, medicaid, and other entitlement programs which caused us to borrow twenty trillion dollars. Not exactly doing the next generation any favors.
- lotsofpulp 7y agoForget about future generations, people knowingly do many things that harm themselves in the future in exchange for gratification now. People can say they care about the future, but how much is actually shown in their actions.
- monsieurbanana 7y agoThe children and grand-children of the wealthy people that makes these decisions won't directly suffer the consequences of global warming. They are too rich for that, it's not like humanity will be wiped out. Only the billions unable to move from disaster-stroken areas will.
- kaybe 7y agoTheir world will be worse too, depending on societal changes maybe even considerably so.
- nostoc 7y agoThat's an asinine logic. Why limit yourself to climate change? You can apply this to anything. Work safety, seat belts, you name it. > Each of us will die anyway, so I doubt if anyone can treat not dying in a car accident/ work related accident / fire as a real benefit.
- mises 7y agoClean air, fresh water, walking in a forest, less trash, and diving in reefs I'm on board with. But free energy? What does that even mean? Who is going to produce that? Unless you mean something like solar, which though it has zero marginal cost, still has significant cost of installation. And bike paths in place of roads? How are we supposed to move goods via bike? I don't see why you would replace roads. What's wrong with electric cars? Many of us don't want to live in some tiny urban bubble, and want to go where we want on our schedules, not wait for a bus.
- chewz 7y agoBy 'free energy' I meant solar, wind or heat pump. With enormous progress and components getting cheaper and cheaper my house has energy for 'free' off-grid (with exception of heating in the winter that uses stove). As for bike paths in place of roads please watch this short movie about Utrecht https://vimeo.com/344373585 https://vimeo.com/344373585 Also my country is a transit country between East and West of Europe. And for last 30 years we only hear will be replaced by rail (trucks loaded on rail cars on the border and unloaded on another). Nothing gets done. Electric cars still pollute cities with 2.5PM, plus need parking space etc. Cities ain't no place for private cars in my opinion.
- panzagl 7y agoContinual shoulder rubs would be motivating to me, that doesn't mean I get to force other people to do what they don't want to do.