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This is the route from paris to algiers by car: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Paris,+France/Algiers+%D9%85%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A9+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D8%B2%D

This is the route from paris to algiers by car: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Paris,+France/Algiers+%D9%85%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A9+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%A6%D8%B1%E2%80%AD/@40.8407008,-7.1457219,5.25z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x47e66e1f06e2b70f:0x40b82c3688c9460!2m2!1d2.3522219!2d48.856614!1m5!1m1!1s0x128fad6795639515:0x4ba4b4c9d0a7e602!2m2!1d3.0876783!2d36.7312717!3e0 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Paris,+France/Algiers+%D9%85... Not to mention for most of the world's immigrants (indian/asian) this is not even an option.

benj111 7y ago
So we shouldn't do anything to curb co2 emissions and flying because 1 group of people will find it slightly more expensive/ more awkward to go home? (I say home, if they're economic migrants they're going home? But then they aren't French voters so on some level should they get a say? On the other hand if they're 'settled' migrants that call France home, they aren't going 'home' so on some level it's a summer holiday plus). Don't build that road, the pedestrians will have to walk out of their way to cross it. Don't build that cycle path, it takes space away from cars. Don't build that pavement.... Every transport decision has tradeoffs, no transport solution can apply to everyone. There will be immigrants from Australia who will also be affected, I have no solutions for them either.
- buboard 7y ago
  > we shouldn't do anything to curb co2 We should act rationally, not implement random measures without forethought. I mention immigrants because international flights are disproportionately affected by this, and i think making it more difficult for them to see their family is inhumane. We don't see what is the projected effect of this law. They could have started with domestic flights or flights to places where rail travel is available instead. It would help to evaluate the effect of the measure more directly too.
  - benj111 7y ago
    "We should act rationally" This is rational. Co2 has a cost that is externalised. This is attempting to start making the emitters pay directly. I have some sympathy for those that have built their lives around the current paradigm, but the writing has been on the wall for a long time, and this really is a modest start.

benj111 7y ago

So we shouldn't do anything to curb co2 emissions and flying because 1 group of people will find it slightly more expensive/ more awkward to go home? (I say home, if they're economic migrants they're going home? But then they aren't French voters so on some level should they get a say? On the other hand if they're 'settled' migrants that call France home, they aren't going 'home' so on some level it's a summer holiday plus). Don't build that road, the pedestrians will have to walk out of their way to cross it. Don't build that cycle path, it takes space away from cars. Don't build that pavement.... Every transport decision has tradeoffs, no transport solution can apply to everyone. There will be immigrants from Australia who will also be affected, I have no solutions for them either.

buboard 7y ago
> we shouldn't do anything to curb co2 We should act rationally, not implement random measures without forethought. I mention immigrants because international flights are disproportionately affected by this, and i think making it more difficult for them to see their family is inhumane. We don't see what is the projected effect of this law. They could have started with domestic flights or flights to places where rail travel is available instead. It would help to evaluate the effect of the measure more directly too.
- benj111 7y ago
  "We should act rationally" This is rational. Co2 has a cost that is externalised. This is attempting to start making the emitters pay directly. I have some sympathy for those that have built their lives around the current paradigm, but the writing has been on the wall for a long time, and this really is a modest start.