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by RickS 7y ago

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LinuxBender 7y ago
It is interesting, but I base my opinions on all the people I know that have teens who smoke, have stopped smoking and instead vape. If the FDA attempt to block teens from vaping, they should be treated as a compromised agency.
- RickS 7y ago
  I think it's tricky because it's both ways. If you are a current smoker, switching to vaping at an equal interval is a healthy move. I know many people with the same story about switching to vaping and it being great. If you're a non-smoker, picking up vaping at any meaningful interval is a negative move. How many positives outweigh the negatives? I don't know how to quantify that thing. And all of that assumes that smokers vape at the same interval. It gets even more complicated if they vape more than smoking. I went through a strange thing with this recently. Long anecdote: I'll have the occasional cigarette when drinking. I find them too gross when sober, so that situation enforced itself in a way I found acceptable. All my smoker friends switched to Juul, so I eventually did the same, for all the health reasons expected. But the thing about the Juul is that it's minty and delightful and suddenly I'm ripping that thing at the end of the night, or between chores, and within days I noticed that both my breathing was impacted, and that I had a budding nicotine addiction. I gave the Juul away and went back to cigarettes. I think a few marlbros once in awhile are better than vaping constantly, and I need to be realistic with myself: I don't have the discipline to enforce boundaries on the vape. So it's not apples and oranges. Plus, if kids could get cigarettes illegally, they can get vape stuff the same way. It's easier to conceal. And I think a lot of teens are like me – finding Juul enjoyable, but cigarettes gross, so if you take the vape off the table, they don't actually switch to cigarettes. This would save a lot of harm, I think.

by RickS 7y ago

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LinuxBender 7y ago

It is interesting, but I base my opinions on all the people I know that have teens who smoke, have stopped smoking and instead vape. If the FDA attempt to block teens from vaping, they should be treated as a compromised agency.

RickS 7y ago
I think it's tricky because it's both ways. If you are a current smoker, switching to vaping at an equal interval is a healthy move. I know many people with the same story about switching to vaping and it being great. If you're a non-smoker, picking up vaping at any meaningful interval is a negative move. How many positives outweigh the negatives? I don't know how to quantify that thing. And all of that assumes that smokers vape at the same interval. It gets even more complicated if they vape more than smoking. I went through a strange thing with this recently. Long anecdote: I'll have the occasional cigarette when drinking. I find them too gross when sober, so that situation enforced itself in a way I found acceptable. All my smoker friends switched to Juul, so I eventually did the same, for all the health reasons expected. But the thing about the Juul is that it's minty and delightful and suddenly I'm ripping that thing at the end of the night, or between chores, and within days I noticed that both my breathing was impacted, and that I had a budding nicotine addiction. I gave the Juul away and went back to cigarettes. I think a few marlbros once in awhile are better than vaping constantly, and I need to be realistic with myself: I don't have the discipline to enforce boundaries on the vape. So it's not apples and oranges. Plus, if kids could get cigarettes illegally, they can get vape stuff the same way. It's easier to conceal. And I think a lot of teens are like me – finding Juul enjoyable, but cigarettes gross, so if you take the vape off the table, they don't actually switch to cigarettes. This would save a lot of harm, I think.