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I will never ever buy a MacBook Pro if they don't get rid of the TouchBar. The sheer arrogance of Apple to think they know better than their customers infuriate
by docker_up 7y ago
I will never ever buy a MacBook Pro if they don't get rid of the TouchBar. The sheer arrogance of Apple to think they know better than their customers infuriates me. I only use a 2018 MacBook Pro because work supplied it, and because my 2015 MacBook battery was dying and the only option the IT department gave me was to upgrade to the 2018 model.
I may simply go back to Windows at home if that's the case, and will use a Windows Laptop at work if possible. Seriously, fuck Apple for this arrogance.
- hu3 7y agoI'm still salty about the magsafe.
- iscrewyou 7y agoSame. When I bought the MacBook, that was one of those things I noticed as “of course it makes sense. Why doesn’t everybody do this?” Then Apple went ahead and took an axe to it. This was truly an idiotic move. Don’t add usbc if you can’t find a way to make it MagSafe!
- futureastronaut 7y agoOpposite here, the magsafe was a constant nuisance, always disconnecting. I like being able to drag the cord with the laptop.
- microtherion 7y agoI liked the Magsafe connector. But with USB-C, I like being able to connect the power cable from either side.
- wlesieutre 7y agoMagSafe was nice, but I'm a big fan of being able to use an industry standard $30 charger with 60W USB-C, 3x USB-A ports, and a removable charging cable. Having to replace a whole $80 proprietary charging brick because the cable connection frayed was a pretty shitty deal.
- hnhg 7y agoIs it impossible to have a removable Magsafe cable?
- wlesieutre 7y agoProbably not, but Apple never made one. The option we have now are magnetic breakaway USB-C nubs, but I've been hesitant to jump on that train because of stories about them breaking off in ports, short circuiting, or failing to connect properly. And especially if you have a 15" MBP with the 87W power brick, I don't think they can handle that amount of power. Eventually I hope to see some well made versions of that from known good vendors, but even things like Griffin BreakSafe have crappy reviews right now.
- docker_up 7y agoI have collected 4 magsafe chargers from the various companies I've worked at because when I returned my laptop or got an extra, they never asked for the chargers back. It was very convenient, but now that I'm on the 2018 USB-C one, I have to throw all of them away via e-waste because I have literally no use for them.
- wlesieutre 7y agoYou could try eBay or Craigslist for those. Since Apple never licensed out MagSafe, the market has been full of poorly built counterfeits rather than anything from reputable manufacturers. That’s another thing I don’t miss. Anyway, I’d bet there’s still some market for used MagSafe chargers to be used with older macs whose chargers have frayed.
- darod 7y ago
- toomuchtodo 7y agoMagsafe patent expires sometime around 2025 luckily.
- hombre_fatal 7y agoYou won’t buy one, but you’ll use one daily to make a living. I was expecting a different conviction given your strong language. ;)
- mplewis 7y agoHe only uses a 2018 MacBook Pro because work supplied it.
- magduf 7y agoI use Windows at work, but there's no way I'd pay for it on my own or use it at home. People who work as janitors probably aren't exactly wild about cleaning dirty toilets every day, but they do what they have to do to earn a living.
- lioeters 7y agoI'm in agreement with your eloquent response. The touch bar is an unacceptable gimmick for me, a solution in search of a non-existent problem (my physical escape key is doing just fine). I'm also not going to buy Bluetooth headphones, just because they decided to drop support for standard headphone jacks. The right to repair and extend my personal computer is another. It's common human decency, which apparently is not a priority at Apple anymore. Sadly, this seems to be a symptom of a larger systemic issue among most large/"successful" tech companies - sheer arrogance and lack of respect for users ("useds").
- magduf 7y agoI really don't see the problem with any of this stuff. I like physical escape keys, I really don't want expensive Bluetooth headphones, and I like having a headphone jack on my phone. I also like being able to repair and upgrade my equipment. So what do I do? I don't buy Apple stuff. Then I read discussions like this one and chuckle at all the people griping about all these things, and then continuing to buy and use stuff from the most hacker-unfriendly company on the planet. It's almost like they want to suffer. Thankfully, Apple is not a monopoly, or even close to one, and there's lots of alternatives (which of course have their own downsides, but not for basic stuff like these issues), so none of this stuff bothers me, and I wonder what anti-consumer action they'll take next to piss people off so I can laugh about it.
- jonnycomputer 7y agoI love my 2012 Mac Book Pro (okay, my employer's). They OK'd buying a new one, but honestly, I still haven't found a good reason to switch out for a new one, except the weight (I bike in to work, and those extra pounds are a drag)
- holy_city 7y agoPart of the thing you'll see on forums like this towards apple is the fact that there is a disproportionate number of developers who for one reason or another need to use MacOS professionally, such as developing iOS apps. A lot of us use Macs because we have to in order to target Apple platforms with our products. They may not have a monopoly, but they do control ~40-50% of the smartphone market in the West and force developers to use MacOS to target their phones. In other markets like pro media production, they absolutely have a monopoly on machines. A lot of us are frustrated by the fact that with each generation, Apple has made an inferior product that costs more money at every tier of their Mac catalog. Even if we're not paying for the machines, we have to go through the rigamarole of repair delays and thermal throttling under load even on the "pro" machines.
- hellofunk 7y agoI am in agreement with you that my current MBP will be my last if my only options in the future are with that damn, silly, expensive gimmick so eloquently called the touch bar.
- driverdan 7y ago> I may simply go back to Windows at home if that's the case Linux and open BSD variants are calling...
- gist 7y ago> The sheer arrogance of Apple to think they know better than their customers Nobody gets it right all the time but Apple has a history with this type of behavior of being correct.
- HyperTalk2 7y agoI'm interested to see your list of the times their controversial decisions were correct after Steve Jobs died.
- the_gastropod 7y agoIt's still controversial, in part because it's still relatively recent, but removing the headphone jack. No major manufacturer's flagship phones come with headphone jacks anymore, despite all the PR ridicule they initially flung. In another 5-10 years, I doubt any new phones will be manufactured with headphone jacks.
- Yoofie 7y agoSamsung is not a major phone manufacturer and their Galaxy S line(s) are not flagship phones?
- reciprocity 7y agoYou can buy a Galaxy S10e with a headphone jack today. But beyond that, we have to define what being _correct_ entails. It is _because_ of Apple that other manufacturers followed suit and their justification was ostensibly for making a slimmer phone (fitting more components into the shell) which was quickly proven to be irrelevant. I don't romanticize about the headphone jack but the premise behind the claim that Apple could be "correct" to remove it doesn't seem foundationally solid as an argument (let alone from a historical standpoint).
- Ididntdothis 7y ago“I may simply go back to Windows at home if that's the case, and will use a Windows Laptop at work if possible. Seriously, fuck Apple for this arrogance” If only Windows was better. My home MacBook just broke after 6 years and I am looking for a replacement. At work I have Dell and Surface devices and after weighing everything I still think a new MacBook is the best of all. They are worse than the 2015 models but still better than everything else on the market once you look at hardware and OS. Just my personal opinion. In general it seems there is a trend to making things worse for whatever reason. The new MacBooks are worse than the ones a few years ago and Windows 10 is worse than 7. They should just have added WSL, HyperV and other goodies to Windows 7 and left the UI alone and it would be a better OS.
- rimliu 7y agoYou thinking that you know better than Apple is not arogant a bit, I guess.
- scarface74 7y agoIf Apple didn’t know what their customers wanted, how do you explain the Mac revenue numbers? https://sixcolors.com/post/2019/01/apples-dramatic-q1-2019-results/ https://sixcolors.com/post/2019/01/apples-dramatic-q1-2019-r...
- jmull 7y agoI think they design computers not because they're arrogant but because it's their job. I get that they don't always hit the nail on the head, but then who does? Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes and get better. Also, I think a lot of their users do like the computers they make. There are inherent tradeoffs in any product that isn't isn't entirely custom designed for a specific customer. (Actually, that's a tradeoff too, since an entirely custom designed computer with tiny production runs would be very expensive.) Anyway, I don't think you should get mad. For yourself, go get the computer you want. (And for work, well, like most of us, you lose some personal flexibility when you work with other people. Hopefully, the greater things you can accomplish as part of a group is good compensation, or if not that, then at least the paycheck is.)
- mdavidn 7y agoI use both Mac and Windows at home. Trust me when I say that you'll prefer the Touch Bar, as bad as it is, over Windows.
- epscoe 7y agoI 100% agree with you about the touch bar, but you might be underestimating the user-hostility of modern Windows and the shoddiness of Windows computer manufacturers. I've had devices from from Dell, Microsoft (3x), and Lenovo (2x) in the past few years, and they've all had hardware or driver issues either from the start or within the first few months. Tried countless registry hacks and driver reinstallations, spent dozens more hours on the phone with support reps who have no idea what they're doing, finally gotten a replacement but it doesn't include warranty coverage so the next failure is game over. Worst support by far was Dell -- they refuse to admit there's a problem, transfer you to wrong departments, and just wait for you to hang up. Their basic warranty coverage also only includes "depot service", which means you mail the machine away for two weeks and literally all they do is wipe it and reinstall the OS. Lenovo sent somebody to my home and actually resolved the issue. Even when the system is put together correctly, every Windows update breaks something, or reverts some setting to a default value, and you don't get to choose which ones you need and which to skip. That Persian calendar fix is going to break your touchpad. Your system event log will be full of errors, and you won't know if you should be concerned. But that's just how Windows is, rotted and barely clunking along. Not to mention the built-in app ecosystem -- my wife tried their Mail app for a while, and one day it deleted all of her emails and calendar events. OneDrive sucks. Everything about Windows sucks. I've done the "Reset This PC" thing on 3 different machines, and it's bricked all of them. By contrast, the MacBook Pro that I've used at work for a few years has had zero problems and the OS feels so much more coherent. I do passionately hate the touch bar; I accidentally brush it all the time and suddenly the volume changes or Siri pops up or whatever irritating thing. I miss having a real Esc (yes, I've remapped Caps Lock, but muscle memory dies hard). I've always used Windows laptops, but recently I've realized the MacBook is actually not more expensive after you factor in the hours of maintenance and the fact that Windows machines will die much more quickly no matter what you do.
- audience_mem 7y agoWhat's your experience with Linux?
- zepolen 7y agoThis is my story in a nutshell too. After the 2018 MacBook Pro keyboard started breaking down (after 1 year of use, once replaced already) I gave up on Apple and bought a 3 pound LG Gram 17 inch laptop. Using Windows for the first time in 10 years, all I can say is it has come a long way. They've put serious effort into making development for linux via WSL and VS Code a dream. The laptop is also fantastic, 17" of 16:10 real estate, light, the macbook feels like a stone now. The downsides are the keyboard is a tad too small as it includes a numpad and takes a couple weeks to get used to. I wish it was a bit bigger, there was room for this. The other issue is by default the laptop is set to too aggressively throttle in software and requires tweaking. Other than that fantastic all around, 2 nvme slots, 1 upgradable ram slot, lots of IO. .