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At least for flights around Europe, taking the train. Flight in Europe are very cheap. It's actually cheaper to fly from London to Newcastle than it is to get t
by Balero 7y ago
At least for flights around Europe, taking the train. Flight in Europe are very cheap. It's actually cheaper to fly from London to Newcastle than it is to get the train, and it takes roughly the same time.
For all flights the alternative is just not to go. Instead of flying to the Caribbean for a holiday, go some place closer and take the train, instead of flying for a business meeting, just call in. If it's worth that much for you to fly, then paying a little tax on top should be fine. Flyers still aren't paying fully for the damage they do to the environment.
- raverbashing 7y agoAs much as I worry about global warming, this antagonizing view doesn't help "Paying for the damage" is this some kind of joke? What about all the other polluters? Shipping? Coal plants? Macron got the Yellow Jackets by hating on people that depend on cars to do their job, because wow, if you don't live in a place with public transport and already pay a substantial amount of tax in everything else and earn less than the people in the capital you should pay more right? You're the bad guys Wow pat yourself in the back for not taking a straw and taxing those "big bad" travelers. Then wonder why your tax revenue goes down every year or people hate you. "Oh but sleeper trains" yeah, also known for the constant robberies and lawlessness inside them.
- skosch 7y ago> "Paying for the damage" is this some kind of joke? What about all the other polluters? Shipping? Coal plants? Right – tax them too, and distribute the revenue back to households. That way it's not a regressive tax, but a wealth transfer from heavy polluters to regular folks who are bearing the indirect costs of the climate crisis.
- raverbashing 7y agoThis sounds like a better plan, too bad it won't happen This tax will just go to cover deficit or to pay the exceptional privileges of the government employees including French railways which go on strike more often than not. But surely, alienating the common people is the way to go...
- lm28469 7y ago> This tax will just go to cover deficit or to pay the exceptional privileges of the government employees "just", well france is the definition of a welfare state so if it "just" helps cover the deficit mostly caused by our social security system it's already quite good.
- skosch 7y agoI don't know about France, but this model is now reality in (at least part of) Canada, and the US has a bill before the House [0]. It's the only politically viable way of implementing carbon pricing. [0] https://energyinnovationact.org https://energyinnovationact.org
- vkou 7y ago> "Paying for the damage" is this some kind of joke? What about all the other polluters? Shipping? Coal plants? So, until we have a unified front for addressing climate change, that doesn't exclude a single source of pollution, we should sit on our hands? The climate doesn't care where the pollution comes from. Any reduction is a win.
- lm28469 7y ago> because wow, if you don't live in a place with public transport and already pay a substantial amount of tax in everything else and earn less than the people in the capital you should pay more right? You're the bad guys Damned if you do, damned if you don't, there is no nice way out of our unsustainable lifestyles, we're all going to take a blow. > What about all the other polluters? Shipping? Coal plants? We have 4 coal plants in france and they're about to close. As far as I know most industries pay taxes for pollution (carbon tax, eco tax, &c.)