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I really don’t think this is as credible of a threat as you paint it to be. Terrorists don’t go around killing people for banning them from forums.

cjaybo 7y ago
This is such a strange response. First of all, Facebook's inability to keep their moderators' identities private is an issue regardless of how the terrorists respond. > Terrorists don't go around killing people for banning them from forums. It seems incredibly arrogant to assume that you know what terrorists will and will not do (especially when used as a rebuttal to someone expressing concern for real people who have been put in this situation). I don't have any experience interacting with terrorists, but growing up in a poor education system in the southeastern U.S., I've witnessed my fair share of gang activity. I have seen incredible confrontation/violence erupt as a consequence of amazingly trivial actions. It does not seem far fetched to me that an extremist group would possess the potential to respond dispraportionately to a perceived act of disrespect or aggression. Given the circumstances, it's hard to find a charitable interpretation of why you would suggest otherwise.
- ryanlol 7y ago
  >First of all, Facebook's inability to keep their moderators' identities private is an issue Agreed, but it’s not an issue because they’re going to get killed by terrorists. I’m objecting to the dishonest framing, not trying to argue that this isn’t an issue. >It seems incredibly arrogant to assume that you know what terrorists will and will not do Your assumptions seem at least as arrogant. >I don't have any experience interacting with terrorists I do
  - wbronitsky 7y ago
    Why are you continuing to hammer away with the Reddit style comments? You might have a good point, but now you are acting like an argumentative ass. This isn't some sort of internet pissing contest with people you don't know and will never meet; that is literally any other online forum that I've seen. This is a forum to discuss issues with people who are interested in them. You are purposefully diluting the conversation, and for what? The lolz? Go somewhere else with this crap
    - ryanlol 7y ago
      How come so much of your comment history consists of complaining about “reddit comments”? I’m not an argumentative ass because my opinion differs from yours, that’s all in your head.
    - dang 7y ago
      Please don't cross into personal attack here. We ban accounts that do that, as you know, but we don't want to ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - klez 7y ago
    >>I don't have any experience interacting with terrorists >I do Is it something you're at liberty or willing to talk about? Cause I'm intrigued.
    - ryanlol 7y ago
      I used to know this kid called Junaid, at some point he was relatively normal. He became less and less normal though, and eventually got in trouble with the law over some silly hacks. He fled the UK to Syria and joined ISIS. In Syria I watched him wave around guns on skype for a couple of years until he was placed at the top of the US kill list and eventually got incinerated.
mehrdadn 7y ago
Credible or not, you need to compensate for the fact that you've terrified someone for the rest of their lives and made them understandably fearful of making a living.
- ryanlol 7y ago
  Presumably it’s some reporter and not facebook doing the terrifying. >made them understandably fearful of making a living These fb moderators have much less to fear than a factory worker, taxi driver or a convenience store clerk. The fb mods are vastly more likely to be killed in a traffic accident on their commute than to get targeted by terrorists because they banned someone. How should such a fundamentally unreasonable fear be compensated? Seems to me that it’d be enough to just offer counseling to distressed employees.
  - mehrdadn 7y ago
    Whether or not a threat is credible is a different thing from whether or not the fear resulting from it is reasonable.
    - ryanlol 7y ago
      I know. I just don’t see anyone spending much time worrying about random store clerks vastly more reasonable fear of getting robbed. This is kinda like being scared of a plane crashing on top of you, sure it’s possible and a scary thought, but ...
      - mehrdadn 7y ago
        No it's not. Your example is not reasonable. The fear of a plane landing on top of you is pretty generic, and the risks are well-known and well-understood to who work closer to planes. The one here is quite reasonable, entirely a result of Facebook screwing up, and not something that's supposed to come with the job the way it did. I outlined these for you and completeness's sake, but they should have been fairly obvious, so I'm not going to entertain more unreasonable comparisons.

cjaybo 7y ago

This is such a strange response. First of all, Facebook's inability to keep their moderators' identities private is an issue regardless of how the terrorists respond. > Terrorists don't go around killing people for banning them from forums. It seems incredibly arrogant to assume that you know what terrorists will and will not do (especially when used as a rebuttal to someone expressing concern for real people who have been put in this situation). I don't have any experience interacting with terrorists, but growing up in a poor education system in the southeastern U.S., I've witnessed my fair share of gang activity. I have seen incredible confrontation/violence erupt as a consequence of amazingly trivial actions. It does not seem far fetched to me that an extremist group would possess the potential to respond dispraportionately to a perceived act of disrespect or aggression. Given the circumstances, it's hard to find a charitable interpretation of why you would suggest otherwise.

ryanlol 7y ago
>First of all, Facebook's inability to keep their moderators' identities private is an issue Agreed, but it’s not an issue because they’re going to get killed by terrorists. I’m objecting to the dishonest framing, not trying to argue that this isn’t an issue. >It seems incredibly arrogant to assume that you know what terrorists will and will not do Your assumptions seem at least as arrogant. >I don't have any experience interacting with terrorists I do
- wbronitsky 7y ago
  Why are you continuing to hammer away with the Reddit style comments? You might have a good point, but now you are acting like an argumentative ass. This isn't some sort of internet pissing contest with people you don't know and will never meet; that is literally any other online forum that I've seen. This is a forum to discuss issues with people who are interested in them. You are purposefully diluting the conversation, and for what? The lolz? Go somewhere else with this crap
  - ryanlol 7y ago
    How come so much of your comment history consists of complaining about “reddit comments”? I’m not an argumentative ass because my opinion differs from yours, that’s all in your head.
  - dang 7y ago
    Please don't cross into personal attack here. We ban accounts that do that, as you know, but we don't want to ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- klez 7y ago
  >>I don't have any experience interacting with terrorists >I do Is it something you're at liberty or willing to talk about? Cause I'm intrigued.
  - ryanlol 7y ago
    I used to know this kid called Junaid, at some point he was relatively normal. He became less and less normal though, and eventually got in trouble with the law over some silly hacks. He fled the UK to Syria and joined ISIS. In Syria I watched him wave around guns on skype for a couple of years until he was placed at the top of the US kill list and eventually got incinerated.

mehrdadn 7y ago

Credible or not, you need to compensate for the fact that you've terrified someone for the rest of their lives and made them understandably fearful of making a living.

ryanlol 7y ago
Presumably it’s some reporter and not facebook doing the terrifying. >made them understandably fearful of making a living These fb moderators have much less to fear than a factory worker, taxi driver or a convenience store clerk. The fb mods are vastly more likely to be killed in a traffic accident on their commute than to get targeted by terrorists because they banned someone. How should such a fundamentally unreasonable fear be compensated? Seems to me that it’d be enough to just offer counseling to distressed employees.
- mehrdadn 7y ago
  Whether or not a threat is credible is a different thing from whether or not the fear resulting from it is reasonable.
  - ryanlol 7y ago
    I know. I just don’t see anyone spending much time worrying about random store clerks vastly more reasonable fear of getting robbed. This is kinda like being scared of a plane crashing on top of you, sure it’s possible and a scary thought, but ...
    - mehrdadn 7y ago
      No it's not. Your example is not reasonable. The fear of a plane landing on top of you is pretty generic, and the risks are well-known and well-understood to who work closer to planes. The one here is quite reasonable, entirely a result of Facebook screwing up, and not something that's supposed to come with the job the way it did. I outlined these for you and completeness's sake, but they should have been fairly obvious, so I'm not going to entertain more unreasonable comparisons.