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I think there is this thing called the train.
by frenchman99 7y ago
I think there is this thing called the train.
- buboard 7y agoImmigrants cant train to algeria
- craftyguy 7y agoThey can take boats. Or not travel as frequently.
- inflatableDodo 7y agoGiven that you can get from France to Algeria by land and there are extensive rail networks across all the connecting regions, including extensive rail networks in Algeria itself, built originally by the French, I would be amused to know how you came up with this conclusion.
- buboard 7y agoLast i checked the mediterranean was still there.
- inflatableDodo 7y agoI just had a look to check what tickets would be needed for the journey and was dismayed to find that as you pass through the Middle East, it does appear that you will have to take some connecting bus services.
- rjsw 7y agoFrance and Algeria are not connected by land.
- luckylion 7y agoThey are, it's just a long journey.
- benj111 7y agoTheres the Suez canal. So it depends how you want to define 'connected', theres a continuous body of water (with locks (edit: No locks) ), but, I assume, bridges going over that water.
- klez 7y agoWell, I mean by the same logic also Lisboa and Washington DC are connected by land during some parts of the year.
- inflatableDodo 7y agoI really don't think we are using the same logic, but if people want to argue that Europe and Africa are not physically connected by land, then I'm going to start claiming that England and Scotland aren't either, given the distance between Carlisle and Newcastle is less than from Port Said to Suez.
- klez 7y agoOh wait, for some reason I was under the impression that the Bering Strait would still dry up or freeze during some parts of the year allowing to reach America going east without taking a boat or a plane. My bad. But even taking this into account, I'm not sure I understand your latest comment (the one I'm replying to right now). EDIT: ok, after reading your comment for the umpteenth time I understood. I just have to admit I'm very bad at geography. EDIT 2: So I'm being downvoted for admitting I was wrong?
- inflatableDodo 7y agoI hope I got you to look at a map. Maps are great. As a prize for admitting how bad you are at geography, here's a political map in Waterman's butterfly projection. - https://www.jasondavies.com/maps/waterman-butterfly/full.png https://www.jasondavies.com/maps/waterman-butterfly/full.png
- Mediterraneo10 7y ago> Given that you can get from France to Algeria by land. The border between Morocco and Algeria is closed, and Libya has been off-limits to ordinary travelers for some years now. So, no, there is no overland travel to Algeria, only plane or ferry.
- ceejayoz 7y agoThe idea isn't to prevent all air travel.
- benj111 7y agoI don't think that invalidates the idea. I can't fly everywhere, I still have to do the last mile some other way. In the sane way I don't expect the train to pick me up out side my house. Further I don't expect to go to my local airport and expect to be able to travel to any other airport direct, so why should the same apply to train travel?
- buboard 7y agoBecause a lot of immigrants use air travel and they don't really have an alternative. A 2-day adventure involving trains, cars, ferries,hotels is much more environmentally (and physically) costly than a $300 flight.
- benj111 7y ago"A 2-day adventure involving trains, cars, ferries,hotels is much more environmentally (and physically) costly than a $300 flight" Based on what? Sea travel is really quite efficient, so are trains, especially when we're talking about French trains powered by French nuclear. And why are immigrants a reason that its regressive? Low paid eastern Europeans aren't going to be flying around Europe, well paid international businessmen probably will. Edit: Ignore the "And why are immigrants a reason that its regressive", I'm confusing my threads. The point stands though. Poor immigrant doesn't necessarily correlate with having to fly.
- yongjik 7y agoBut if France (and the rest of Europe) fails to cut down carbon emission, it's Algeria that's going to be hit harder. If France can reach 45C, imagine what will happen to Algeria.
- _ph_ 7y agoIf there is sufficient demmand, it would be obvious to build a tunnel across the Gibraltar strait. This would reasonably connect the north-west of Africa with Spain.
- Mediterraneo10 7y agoThe border between Morocco and Algeria is closed. So, even with that tunnel, travel from Europe to Algeria would only be possible by air or ferry.
- _ph_ 7y agoOne might work at opening border in all the years the tunnel is being built - closed borders should't be considered a irreversable thing. Furthermore, of course there still be flights available. The whole point is to have less flights. So some flights could be shifted to train or boat and for the rest double-checked whether the flight is still needed.
- nine_k 7y agoSpecifically in France the train has a near-zero carbon footprint, because it's electric, and the electricity comes from nuclear power.
- buboard 7y agoWell looks like we need nuclear planes
- nine_k 7y agoWe don't have nuclear trains, do we? We just replaced coal-fired electric generation with nuclear (in some places at least). Same with planes. Use energy produced by nuclear / solar / wind plants to synthesize jet fuel, operate the planes as normal.
- komali2 7y agoNuclear trains sounds badass but no I'm not aware of them existing. The two nuclear powered vehicles in the USA are carriers and submarines. Owned by the US military. All other nuclear generators are static and surrounded by metric fucktons of concrete.
- dang 7y agoPlease don't break the site guidelines by being snarky. It leads to low-quality subthreads, which is why we have that guideline. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this one from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20392902 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20392902.