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Because in France ecofascism is becoming the #1 religion thanks to leftist propaganda. Government uses that to increase taxes.

• XMPPwocky 7y ago
  Do you have a working definition of fascism here or are you using it as something closer to "a bad politics thing"?
  • jimmaswell 7y ago
    That seems to be all it means these days.
  • elohju 7y ago
    It means screwing off people and justifying with "we're saving the planet".
    • XMPPwocky 7y ago
      Okay, but how does that relate to fascism? Really, you'd expect fascists to advocate the opposite actions, because of the strong nationalist component of fascism- wouldn't they tend to favor actions that benefit France and disregard global externalities?
  • nine_k 7y ago
    From Wikipedia: «Fascism ... characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy». There are people who see the enforcement of the green agenda in these terms, like this: you can't speak publicly against it, you can't act openly against it, and it gets forced on the economy through the power of the state. I personally think that such a view is a bit of a exaggeration. But we should remember that the danger of fascism is always around the corner, in the groupthink and in the enforcement of One True Way in anything.
    • RobertoG 7y ago
      >>"[..]you can't speak publicly against it, you can't act openly against it,[..]" By this, I suppose you mean that, if you do it, you will get some angry answers in your direction, but, is that not true about anything deserving to talk about? It works in the other direction too: I have heard pretty harsh insults against ecologist (yeah, sometimes they are even called fascists). >>"[..] and it gets forced on the economy through the power of she state." Yes, but all economic organization is forced through the power of the state, starting by property rights. So, nothing new there.
      • nine_k 7y ago
        I'm mostly talking about a PR suicide that is speaking against beliefs of majority, or even a vocal minority. This has real economic consequences, so it makes businesses stay in line with the accepted beliefs by talking the only language that matters to them. Yes, a state is an instiute of enforcement, violent if needed. Nothing new here indeed. People just tend to see enforcement of ideas they like as good, and of the ideas they don't like, as evil. Nothing new here either. I just tried to explain the train of thought that may have led to the original (flagged) comment.
• spanxx 7y ago
  Please, allow me to ask you, how this bold statement contributes to this conversation?
  • sgregnt 7y ago
    It provide a different worldview through which to look at and analyze this tax.
• frenchman99 7y ago
  Oxfam says that the 10% richest account for 50% of air pollution. People that have enough money to travel by plane should have enough money to not destroy our environment.
  • sgregnt 7y ago
    They also account for a disproportional share of taxes. For example in Israel the richest 20% percent pay 80% of taxes (If I remember correctly)
    • robjan 7y ago
      But they don't get rich without the labour of the other 80%.
      • sgregnt 7y ago
        They get rich because they provide value for the people. The more value they prove the richer they get.
        • malaxii 7y ago
          Hah, no. They get rich, because the more wealth you have, the easier it is to increase it. Why? Because this is how the rich and powerful have set up the rules of the game. Personal wealth does not correlate with any sort of "value" you have personally created.
          • nybble41 7y ago
            > They get rich, because the more wealth you have, the easier it is to increase it. The more wealth you have the easier it is to provide value to other people. That's known as capital investment, and it's how wealth begets more wealth. Or they could just spend all that wealth they've saved on themselves. People inclined to do that generally don't become wealthy in the first place, however, barring abnormal circumstances such as winning the lottery. A habit of frivolous, conspicuous consumption is a good way to ensure that you don't stay wealthy for long.
• Juliate 7y ago
  Nice bingo: * ecofascism, leftist, propaganda. * account created a few minutes ago.
• dang 7y ago
  Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html