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Isn't the title misleading? From the article: "The new French tax will be 1.5 euros for flights within France." Unless "out of France" simply means originating

by isolli 7y ago

Isn't the title misleading? From the article: "The new French tax will be 1.5 euros for flights within France." Unless "out of France" simply means originating in France, regardless of whether the destination is in France or not. Either way, the original title is better, I would keep it: "France to tax flights from its airports"

Ultramanoid 7y ago
Thanks for the comment. I posted this with the original title as it was, they have changed it. I edited it just now, but I'm not going to keep checking to see if they change it again...
- isolli 7y ago
  Maybe they changed it because it was not clear! I was also curious to know if I had misunderstood because I'm not a native English speaker. I know that "I work out of Berlin" means "I work in Berlin", so...
duxup 7y ago
"The new French tax will be 1.5 euros for flights within France or the European Union, 3 euros for economy flights out of the EU, 9 euros for intra-EU business class and up to 18 euros for business class tickets out of the EU. Transit flights will not be taxed." I read that as most flights in or out of France being taxed. "Transit flights" Is that a connecting flight? Seems to be the only exception.
- sgc 7y ago
  Layover flight.
- usrusr 7y ago
  > "Transit flights" Is that a connecting flight? Seems to be the only exception. Makes sense, economically, in that there is quite fierce competition between CDG and other major European hub airports for filling spare intercontinental capacity and multi-hop connections are far more price sensitive than direct flights. If CDG would lose a majority of regional (but still international) feeder traffic to FRA or AMS, Paris would experience a noticeable drop in direct connections.
  - st1ck 7y ago
    I wonder, even if AMS takes over CDG as a hub, would it hurt Air France — KLM in any way?
    - usrusr 7y ago
      Oh, wasn't even aware of that group. But it only makes the threat of a traffic shift out France bigger: while a standalone Air France would be forced to defend the status of their home hub against the odds, the group would not really mind an internal shift. According to Wikipedia (en. and de.), the French state has been divesting from air France quite a bit while the Netherlands, who had very little at the time of the merger, are about to match their government stake to parity (but both will remain at <30% combined). I'd assume that French leadership is quite aware of the risk of Air France KLM effectively becoming KLM Air France if they push too hard.

by isolli 7y ago

Ultramanoid 7y ago

Thanks for the comment. I posted this with the original title as it was, they have changed it. I edited it just now, but I'm not going to keep checking to see if they change it again...

isolli 7y ago
Maybe they changed it because it was not clear! I was also curious to know if I had misunderstood because I'm not a native English speaker. I know that "I work out of Berlin" means "I work in Berlin", so...

duxup 7y ago

"The new French tax will be 1.5 euros for flights within France or the European Union, 3 euros for economy flights out of the EU, 9 euros for intra-EU business class and up to 18 euros for business class tickets out of the EU. Transit flights will not be taxed." I read that as most flights in or out of France being taxed. "Transit flights" Is that a connecting flight? Seems to be the only exception.

sgc 7y ago
Layover flight.
usrusr 7y ago
> "Transit flights" Is that a connecting flight? Seems to be the only exception. Makes sense, economically, in that there is quite fierce competition between CDG and other major European hub airports for filling spare intercontinental capacity and multi-hop connections are far more price sensitive than direct flights. If CDG would lose a majority of regional (but still international) feeder traffic to FRA or AMS, Paris would experience a noticeable drop in direct connections.
- st1ck 7y ago
  I wonder, even if AMS takes over CDG as a hub, would it hurt Air France — KLM in any way?
  - usrusr 7y ago
    Oh, wasn't even aware of that group. But it only makes the threat of a traffic shift out France bigger: while a standalone Air France would be forced to defend the status of their home hub against the odds, the group would not really mind an internal shift. According to Wikipedia (en. and de.), the French state has been divesting from air France quite a bit while the Netherlands, who had very little at the time of the merger, are about to match their government stake to parity (but both will remain at <30% combined). I'd assume that French leadership is quite aware of the risk of Air France KLM effectively becoming KLM Air France if they push too hard.