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> All you have to do is configure port forwarding on your router correctly. Dynamic IP assignment is a bit more of a problem, but it can be overcome by using dy

> All you have to do is configure port forwarding on your router correctly. Dynamic IP assignment is a bit more of a problem, but it can be overcome by using dynamic DNS services. But most people don’t even know what a ‘port’ is, let alone do they know that their router may let them change some settings. > there is no guaranteed uptime, I would need to deal with things like backups Are these important criteria for a federated system? > my stuff is always available Until it’s not because the centralized provider went out of business/censored you/was acquired/killed the product for strategic reasons EDIT: typo

rohan1024 7y ago
I agree with the other two points. The first one is not just something that you can change in router configuration. I am talking about CG-NAT. It's implemented by ISP and is not something that you can bypass.
pmlnr 7y ago
> But most people don’t even know what a ‘port’ is, let alone do they know that their router may let them change some settings. upnp was made for them.
MadWombat 7y ago
> Are these important criteria for a federated system? As long as I am storing data on my node and/or use my node to access the system, yes, it is. Also, the comment I was replying to just said "The solution I think is instead of hosting it on cloud we host it at home" and suggested running a server on a Raspberry Pi. Nothing about federation. > Until it’s not because the centralized provider went out of business/censored you/was acquired... What do you think is more likely, that Instagram goes out of business or that a Raspberry Pi sitting under my bed dies and takes my photos with it?
- rohan1024 7y ago
  Raspberry PI is just an example. I am pretty sure if people started looking into self hosting we can certainly come up with networks and devices that can compete with centralized services. We can even come up with something that would ensure critical data is always available via redundant nodes. Look at BitTorrent, I am pretty sure nobody would have thought it would work flawlessly before it did.
- kitotik 7y ago
  You are correct, I was assuming federation in a decentralized system. If it’s an isolated node in your home, it looks a lot different, and I agree with your administration pain points. > What do you think is more likely, that Instagram goes out of business or that a Raspberry Pi sitting under my bed dies and takes my photos with it? Of course your RPI is more likely to die than Instagram going out of business. But with Instagram, the risk is more around them booting/censoring/sharing your stuff. Does Google Picassa still exist?
  - MadWombat 7y ago
    No. Picasa doesn't exist. But all my photos are now in Google Photos, very much intact, even though I have had multiple device failures over the years and if I was hosting these photos myself chances are I would not have them by now.

rohan1024 7y ago

I agree with the other two points. The first one is not just something that you can change in router configuration. I am talking about CG-NAT. It's implemented by ISP and is not something that you can bypass.

pmlnr 7y ago

> But most people don’t even know what a ‘port’ is, let alone do they know that their router may let them change some settings. upnp was made for them.

MadWombat 7y ago

> Are these important criteria for a federated system? As long as I am storing data on my node and/or use my node to access the system, yes, it is. Also, the comment I was replying to just said "The solution I think is instead of hosting it on cloud we host it at home" and suggested running a server on a Raspberry Pi. Nothing about federation. > Until it’s not because the centralized provider went out of business/censored you/was acquired... What do you think is more likely, that Instagram goes out of business or that a Raspberry Pi sitting under my bed dies and takes my photos with it?

rohan1024 7y ago
Raspberry PI is just an example. I am pretty sure if people started looking into self hosting we can certainly come up with networks and devices that can compete with centralized services. We can even come up with something that would ensure critical data is always available via redundant nodes. Look at BitTorrent, I am pretty sure nobody would have thought it would work flawlessly before it did.
kitotik 7y ago
You are correct, I was assuming federation in a decentralized system. If it’s an isolated node in your home, it looks a lot different, and I agree with your administration pain points. > What do you think is more likely, that Instagram goes out of business or that a Raspberry Pi sitting under my bed dies and takes my photos with it? Of course your RPI is more likely to die than Instagram going out of business. But with Instagram, the risk is more around them booting/censoring/sharing your stuff. Does Google Picassa still exist?
- MadWombat 7y ago
  No. Picasa doesn't exist. But all my photos are now in Google Photos, very much intact, even though I have had multiple device failures over the years and if I was hosting these photos myself chances are I would not have them by now.