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You can reasonably expect that without any of this nonsense since it is so rare that things like that happen.

ryanmercer 7y ago
Last year alone TSA discovered 4,239 firearms, 3,656 of which were loaded. https://www.tsa.gov/blog/2019/02/07/tsa-year-review-record-setting-2018 https://www.tsa.gov/blog/2019/02/07/tsa-year-review-record-s...
- beepboopbeep 7y ago
  What's your point? Keep in mind the TSA's own internal testing has found them to be largely ineffective.[1][2] [1]https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/11/09/tsa-misses-70-of-fake-weapons-but-thats-an-improvement/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/11/09/tsa... [2]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-us-airports-allowed-weapons-through-n367851 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-...
  - ryanmercer 7y ago
    My point? My point is there were 3,656 less loaded firearms in airplanes last year in the United States than there would have been without TSA, and 20-something thousand 'dangerous devices' total kept off the flights. That's 3,656 less chances of a hijacking, or accidental discharges depressurizing a cabin and causing an emergency landing. Really, the number of chances is likely higher than that considering many of those instances likely came with one or more connecting flights.
    - smcg 7y ago
      You can still catch those firearms with a simple metal detector. You don't need device searches or indefinite detention.
- BubRoss 7y ago
  If the TSA is 95% ineffective, that would mean 20x the amount of loaded guns made it through (in reality guns are probably found more often). This would still be tens of thousands of loaded guns that made it through without any incident. People forget about guns in their bags all the time. This statistic is orthogonal to what I said before.
Fjolsvith 7y ago
> You can reasonably expect that without any of this nonsense since it is so rare that things like that happen. Deterrence is certain to play a part in the lack of incidents.
- cardiffspaceman 7y ago
  Is the real deterrent the exercise before we board a plane that apparently only stops 5% of the weapons people bring, or the observation that given people know their lives are forfeit once the bad guy shows his intentions, the passengers will rise up to thwart the bad guy?

Last year alone TSA discovered 4,239 firearms, 3,656 of which were loaded. https://www.tsa.gov/blog/2019/02/07/tsa-year-review-record-setting-2018 https://www.tsa.gov/blog/2019/02/07/tsa-year-review-record-s...

beepboopbeep 7y ago
What's your point? Keep in mind the TSA's own internal testing has found them to be largely ineffective.[1][2] [1]https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/11/09/tsa-misses-70-of-fake-weapons-but-thats-an-improvement/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/11/09/tsa... [2]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-us-airports-allowed-weapons-through-n367851 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-...
- ryanmercer 7y ago
  My point? My point is there were 3,656 less loaded firearms in airplanes last year in the United States than there would have been without TSA, and 20-something thousand 'dangerous devices' total kept off the flights. That's 3,656 less chances of a hijacking, or accidental discharges depressurizing a cabin and causing an emergency landing. Really, the number of chances is likely higher than that considering many of those instances likely came with one or more connecting flights.
  - smcg 7y ago
    You can still catch those firearms with a simple metal detector. You don't need device searches or indefinite detention.
BubRoss 7y ago
If the TSA is 95% ineffective, that would mean 20x the amount of loaded guns made it through (in reality guns are probably found more often). This would still be tens of thousands of loaded guns that made it through without any incident. People forget about guns in their bags all the time. This statistic is orthogonal to what I said before.

Fjolsvith 7y ago

> You can reasonably expect that without any of this nonsense since it is so rare that things like that happen. Deterrence is certain to play a part in the lack of incidents.

cardiffspaceman 7y ago
Is the real deterrent the exercise before we board a plane that apparently only stops 5% of the weapons people bring, or the observation that given people know their lives are forfeit once the bad guy shows his intentions, the passengers will rise up to thwart the bad guy?