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Unlikely, outside of tech circles no one is interested or cares about federation.

onion2k 7y ago
You might be right about people not being interested in federation on a conceptual level (or not, I don't know), but people certainly are interested in the benefits of federation can bring. People want more robust hosting, lower costs, and less dependence on centralized services. I think it's unlikely anyone would sign up to a 'new Instagram' built on this specifically because it's based on federatation but if it was marketed as more robust, cheaper and not dependent on Facebook then I can see non-tech people being curious about it.
- Goronmon 7y ago
  People want more robust hosting, lower costs, and less dependence on centralized services. The people outside of tech circles that I know just want images to show up and they don't want to pay for them. I guess that those would fall under the "robust hosting, lower costs" section in a roundabout way, but "less dependence on centralized services" is pretty much the opposite of what people want from my experience.
  - onion2k 7y ago
    Meet more people.
    - Goronmon 7y ago
      Right back at you.
      - onion2k 7y ago
        If you meet more people then you'll meet people who are interested in the benefits of federated content. If I meet more people then I will too, but I already know some so it won't make much difference. Maybe it'd reinforce what I already know. The problem is your admission that it's "pretty much the opposite of what people want from my experience". You don't have enough experience. Ergo... meet more people.
yogthos 7y ago
What people do care about is being able to seamlessly use different platforms. Traditional services like Twitter, Fb, or Youtube are silos. The companies running these platforms have zero incentive to allow you to share data between them, and make it difficult for users to extract the data from the platform. ActivityPub based federation flips this model on its head. All the services can talk to each other, and you can be using one service while your friends use another, and still be able to interact and share content. This is a huge feature for end users.
- skocznymroczny 7y ago
  No. People don't care about that. This is from our perspective, as tech users we are concerned about centralization and silos. The users aren't concerned with silos, because websites such as Instagram have so much pulling power, that everyone is already there. You don't have to worry about sharing data with other services because all your followers are on Instagram anyway.
  - yogthos 7y ago
    People very much care about having to juggle a bunch of accounts and not being able to share things with their friends because they're using a different platform.

You might be right about people not being interested in federation on a conceptual level (or not, I don't know), but people certainly are interested in the benefits of federation can bring. People want more robust hosting, lower costs, and less dependence on centralized services. I think it's unlikely anyone would sign up to a 'new Instagram' built on this specifically because it's based on federatation but if it was marketed as more robust, cheaper and not dependent on Facebook then I can see non-tech people being curious about it.

Goronmon 7y ago
People want more robust hosting, lower costs, and less dependence on centralized services. The people outside of tech circles that I know just want images to show up and they don't want to pay for them. I guess that those would fall under the "robust hosting, lower costs" section in a roundabout way, but "less dependence on centralized services" is pretty much the opposite of what people want from my experience.
- onion2k 7y ago
  Meet more people.
  - Goronmon 7y ago
    Right back at you.
    - onion2k 7y ago
      If you meet more people then you'll meet people who are interested in the benefits of federated content. If I meet more people then I will too, but I already know some so it won't make much difference. Maybe it'd reinforce what I already know. The problem is your admission that it's "pretty much the opposite of what people want from my experience". You don't have enough experience. Ergo... meet more people.

yogthos 7y ago

What people do care about is being able to seamlessly use different platforms. Traditional services like Twitter, Fb, or Youtube are silos. The companies running these platforms have zero incentive to allow you to share data between them, and make it difficult for users to extract the data from the platform. ActivityPub based federation flips this model on its head. All the services can talk to each other, and you can be using one service while your friends use another, and still be able to interact and share content. This is a huge feature for end users.

skocznymroczny 7y ago
No. People don't care about that. This is from our perspective, as tech users we are concerned about centralization and silos. The users aren't concerned with silos, because websites such as Instagram have so much pulling power, that everyone is already there. You don't have to worry about sharing data with other services because all your followers are on Instagram anyway.
- yogthos 7y ago
  People very much care about having to juggle a bunch of accounts and not being able to share things with their friends because they're using a different platform.