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> Japan's losses in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 250k. Their allies killed 400k Jews in Warsaw Ghetto alone Judging them based what their allies did makes it a

> Japan's losses in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 250k. Their allies killed 400k Jews in Warsaw Ghetto alone Judging them based what their allies did makes it a bit of an unfair comparison, especially when those allies were half a world away with little actual input [0]. I'm sure the Japanese were responsible for their own share of carnage caused without "consolidating" numbers. Russia was on the Allied side and received active support even after committing massacres, mass arrests, executions, and deportations [1]. So consider that if you want to tally "by team". Also killing 250.000 civilians "because they also did it" kind of puts them all in the same bucket. There's no moral high ground to claim in this situation unless you're always willing to justify anything as long as it fits your personal views. Would it be justified or moral for you to kill some random Russians as payback for Katyn? [0] You wouldn't be judged based on what your grandparents did, and there might be a stronger connection between you. Or for what your fellow countrymen do. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes#World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes#World_War_II

briffle 7y ago
Then we can look at the Japanese occupation of China and the killing of 10-25 Million civilians.. The west does not learn much about that part of WW2.
- liberte82 7y ago
  China sure hasn't forgotten, though.
ycombinete 7y ago
On top of this, there’s fairly well established historical record showing that the dropping the bombs was unnecessary, even for attaining Japan’s Surrender. You can find this in sources as mainstream as Oliver Stone’s _Untold History of the United States_
- 52-6F-62 7y ago
  Wasn't it [as much or more] about demoralizing the enemies on the Western front? Oliver Stone... I hesitate to rely on him as a sole source for such information. No slight on him—but it's as editorialized an outlet for information as there ever was.
  - ycombinete 7y ago
    Fair enough
- ericmcer 7y ago
  There was an attempted military coup by the ministry of war when the emperor decided to surrender. That was after the second bomb had been dropped. Part of the terms of surrender was the emperor admitting he was not a god. They were not close to surrender pre-bomb in my opinion, most of my info is from podcasts though so who knows.

briffle 7y ago

Then we can look at the Japanese occupation of China and the killing of 10-25 Million civilians.. The west does not learn much about that part of WW2.

liberte82 7y ago
China sure hasn't forgotten, though.

ycombinete 7y ago

On top of this, there’s fairly well established historical record showing that the dropping the bombs was unnecessary, even for attaining Japan’s Surrender. You can find this in sources as mainstream as Oliver Stone’s _Untold History of the United States_

52-6F-62 7y ago
Wasn't it [as much or more] about demoralizing the enemies on the Western front? Oliver Stone... I hesitate to rely on him as a sole source for such information. No slight on him—but it's as editorialized an outlet for information as there ever was.
- ycombinete 7y ago
  Fair enough
ericmcer 7y ago
There was an attempted military coup by the ministry of war when the emperor decided to surrender. That was after the second bomb had been dropped. Part of the terms of surrender was the emperor admitting he was not a god. They were not close to surrender pre-bomb in my opinion, most of my info is from podcasts though so who knows.