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I find it difficult to consider that my experience of seeing is similar to having those two files. Had we discussed this just four weeks ago, I would have tota

I find it difficult to consider that my experience of seeing is similar to having those two files. Had we discussed this just four weeks ago, I would have totally agreed with you. And to some extend I still find it hard to believe myself. I'm more likely to believe that there's an unexplained gap between the signals and the subjective experience. Now try to tell me more about this gap. What is part of this gap? And what is the evidence for that or the existence of this gap in general? And try to avoid using any word with fuzzy or ambiguous meaning like experience or qualia and don't appeal to the fact that I am also a human and therefore know what you mean. My own failure to come up with anything I can say about this gap and my failure to find any evidence for the existence of this gap is what made me consider the possibility that the gap does not exist, that it is an illusion my brain tricks me into believing in.

sdfin 7y ago
If we see or imagine a 3D model of a tree there must be something that happens in the brain to transform the "binary" (the electrical impulses sent through the nerves) into the 3D model. When we scan brains there are no 3D models found inside it. The same can be said about scanning a PC's disk, there's no 3D trees inside. But the code can be converted to a tree and displayed on a screen. On the computer the screen has a physical form. What would be the screen in our body? The lack of understanding about the mechanism that turns the "code" into a 3D model may be considered a gap in understanding.
- danbruc 7y ago
  If you are still following, I hope I will manage to write a reply tomorrow. There is one important point I just haven't figured out how to convey properly.
  - sdfin 7y ago
    Yes, I'll check it. There are no notifications here but I find the topic interesting and can easily look at the comments.
    - danbruc 7y ago
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      - danbruc 7y ago
        I added this empty comment hoping that threads only get locked after some time of inactivity. I am still trying to make precise what I what to say.
        sdfin 7y ago
        If you have a clear and convincing argument about the point that you find believable, you'll be able to communicate it.
    - DoreenMichele 7y ago
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sdfin 7y ago

If we see or imagine a 3D model of a tree there must be something that happens in the brain to transform the "binary" (the electrical impulses sent through the nerves) into the 3D model. When we scan brains there are no 3D models found inside it. The same can be said about scanning a PC's disk, there's no 3D trees inside. But the code can be converted to a tree and displayed on a screen. On the computer the screen has a physical form. What would be the screen in our body? The lack of understanding about the mechanism that turns the "code" into a 3D model may be considered a gap in understanding.

danbruc 7y ago
If you are still following, I hope I will manage to write a reply tomorrow. There is one important point I just haven't figured out how to convey properly.
- sdfin 7y ago
  Yes, I'll check it. There are no notifications here but I find the topic interesting and can easily look at the comments.
  - danbruc 7y ago
    ...
    - danbruc 7y ago
      I added this empty comment hoping that threads only get locked after some time of inactivity. I am still trying to make precise what I what to say.
      - sdfin 7y ago
        If you have a clear and convincing argument about the point that you find believable, you'll be able to communicate it.
  - DoreenMichele 7y ago
    There is no native notification system, but there is this: http://www.hnreplies.com http://www.hnreplies.com