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I guess you mean this: "Police who react to a random black male behaving suspiciously who might be in the critical age range as though he is an near-imminent le

I guess you mean this: "Police who react to a random black male behaving suspiciously who might be in the critical age range as though he is an near-imminent lethal threat, are being rational, not racist." I don't think that ESR associates color of the skin with some intrinsic propensity to become a criminal (this would be indeed racism). The fact is that many members of Afro-American community leaves in a rather poor conditions (lack of education, contact with drugs, gangs) what results in a over-representation of the (violent) criminals in that group. This is very unfortunate, but statistics is statistics - there are significanly more crimes committed by Afro-Americans than white people, so, indeed, it is rational to expect that someone having black color of the skin and behaves in a suspected way could be a criminal. Maybe there are some other racist claims by ESR I don't know about, however I don't find this particular sentence to be racist.

DonHopkins 7y ago
That is the tiniest tip of the iceberg. He has a long well documented track record of making racist claims. I will give other people a chance to post some of them (and for more of his racist sycophants to come out of the woodwork and out themselves by attempting to rationalize what he's said), since I don't have the time to get into it now, and would like to encourage you to go look for yourself first. Maybe I'll post some of the most egregious ones later, if nobody else does.
DonHopkins 7y ago
But I'll give you this one to start with: As much as he thinks he and everyone else should own lots guns, Eric S Raymond has recently stated (2017) that he believes blacks are too unintelligent to own or to be trained to use guns: https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/816449724127608833 https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/816449724127608833 >Unfortunately, this doesn't cover the BLM crowd, which would have an average IQ of about 85 if it's statistically representative of American blacks as a whole. I've never tried to train anyone that dim and wouldn't want to.
DonHopkins 7y ago
And another (I could keep this up indefinitely, and by the time I was done he would have written even more -- Thomas Ptacek actually raised $100,000 to stop himself from tweeting vile ESR quotes. Maybe I should try raising some money for charity too?): https://twitter.com/angusm/status/971804887964094467 https://twitter.com/angusm/status/971804887964094467 https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/971786541621112832 https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/971786541621112832 https://www.dropbox.com/s/05lb6x6ndullsig/Screenshot%202015-11-25%2014.46.49.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/05lb6x6ndullsig/Screenshot%202015-... esr on 2015-11-25 at 15:14:09 said: >So when Chicago cops seem a bit paramilitary, it might have something to do with Chicago’s homicide rate being more typical of Africa than peaceful civilization. Recalls a point I have made several times on this blog, that criminologically the U.S. is divided into Switzerland and Swaziland. Or, more precisely, mostly one big Switzerland – white, very low crime rates – and a bunch of Swaziland-like enclaves, mostly black, with very high crime rates. Chicago is one of the Swazilands.
AlexB138 7y ago
These examples posted so far all seem to fall into the "What You Can't Say" heresy camp, rather than actual overt racism. I can't speak for his character in general, but the stuff here comes off entirely as him having different political beliefs, a lack of tact, and the nerve to speak about his beliefs publicly.
- DonHopkins 7y ago
  I've known him and RMS (who he's made his career trying to destroy) for well over 30 years, so I can testify that ESR has always been insufferably narcissistic, arrogant, and smarmy, but 9/11 sent him over the deep end of racism, islamophobia and misogyny (google "Is the casting couch a fair trade?"). His software work is unremarkable (fetchmail is trivial and buggy, and CML2 was rejected by the Linux kernel developers), and he's made his career not by writing software but by attacking real hackers like Richard Stallman and trying to bring down their work, not by actually constructively developing any useful software himself. Attacking real hackers and trying to discourage people from using "free software" isn't "hacking". He used to call himself "Eric the Flute", and he would go on and on ad nauseum about his beloved "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle NetNews Reader" and how it was so much better than every other netnews reader. But he never collaborated with anyone, and he never released it under any license. Much more Bizarre than Cathedral. Just keep reading the other posts and quotes in this threads. You have a lot of catching up to do if you're still not convinced he's racist, assuming you're not just another one of his racist sycophants trying to rationalize his beliefs, carry his water, and mansplain away his racism. See his blog for many more examples of his racist statements ("Affirmative action _is_ racism, by definition." -ESR) and his followers sucking up to him. https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/780839196231630848 https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/780839196231630848 He has a huge following of racist alt-right pro-gun whack jobs (even the occasional self-loathing gay brony, not to mention "Tron Guy") who he panders to. Yes. THAT "Tron Guy": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9dutFhebw4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9dutFhebw4
  - mises 7y ago
    I absolutely agree that he significantly overblows his technical acumen, and appears to make his name as a sort of ex-spokesman for open source. As you said, it seems that he's unfortunately moved more toward attacking others, which is sad. > assuming you're not just another one of his racist sycophants. Implying that all who do not agree with you are racist is a bit of a weighty allegation. I have no doubt you will call me a racist sycophant in retaliation. This is not to say I agree with him; I don't. > mansplain away his racism. Please don't use this term. It implies someone is doing something because of gender; how do you know the gender of the explainer? Or of all the explainees? It's a silly term used to attack certain points of view. If some one is a condescending horse's rear, just call him a condescending horse's rear. > Affirmative action _is_ racism, by definition This is a point agreed upon by many. Half the nation doesn't agree with you. This includes non-whites; it isn't fair to assume that every one who doesn't agree with you is racist. > He has a huge following of racist alt-right pro-gun whack jobs Guilt by association is not fair. Just because some one agrees with something I say doesn't mean I agree with what he says. Also, again not fair trying to paint all pro-gun people as whack jobs; much of the country disagrees with you. In summary, you make generally good points, but adulterate them with a political message hostile to many. You needlessly attack people for political beliefs which are reasonably main-stream, thus turning them away from otherwise good points about ESR's deficiencies. Discussion on this ought to stay intellectual, rather than devolving into personal attacks on vast swathes of people you have never met or conversed with.

DonHopkins 7y ago

That is the tiniest tip of the iceberg. He has a long well documented track record of making racist claims. I will give other people a chance to post some of them (and for more of his racist sycophants to come out of the woodwork and out themselves by attempting to rationalize what he's said), since I don't have the time to get into it now, and would like to encourage you to go look for yourself first. Maybe I'll post some of the most egregious ones later, if nobody else does.

DonHopkins 7y ago

But I'll give you this one to start with: As much as he thinks he and everyone else should own lots guns, Eric S Raymond has recently stated (2017) that he believes blacks are too unintelligent to own or to be trained to use guns: https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/816449724127608833 https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/816449724127608833 >Unfortunately, this doesn't cover the BLM crowd, which would have an average IQ of about 85 if it's statistically representative of American blacks as a whole. I've never tried to train anyone that dim and wouldn't want to.

DonHopkins 7y ago

And another (I could keep this up indefinitely, and by the time I was done he would have written even more -- Thomas Ptacek actually raised $100,000 to stop himself from tweeting vile ESR quotes. Maybe I should try raising some money for charity too?): https://twitter.com/angusm/status/971804887964094467 https://twitter.com/angusm/status/971804887964094467 https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/971786541621112832 https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/971786541621112832 https://www.dropbox.com/s/05lb6x6ndullsig/Screenshot%202015-11-25%2014.46.49.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/05lb6x6ndullsig/Screenshot%202015-... esr on 2015-11-25 at 15:14:09 said: >So when Chicago cops seem a bit paramilitary, it might have something to do with Chicago’s homicide rate being more typical of Africa than peaceful civilization. Recalls a point I have made several times on this blog, that criminologically the U.S. is divided into Switzerland and Swaziland. Or, more precisely, mostly one big Switzerland – white, very low crime rates – and a bunch of Swaziland-like enclaves, mostly black, with very high crime rates. Chicago is one of the Swazilands.

AlexB138 7y ago

These examples posted so far all seem to fall into the "What You Can't Say" heresy camp, rather than actual overt racism. I can't speak for his character in general, but the stuff here comes off entirely as him having different political beliefs, a lack of tact, and the nerve to speak about his beliefs publicly.

DonHopkins 7y ago
I've known him and RMS (who he's made his career trying to destroy) for well over 30 years, so I can testify that ESR has always been insufferably narcissistic, arrogant, and smarmy, but 9/11 sent him over the deep end of racism, islamophobia and misogyny (google "Is the casting couch a fair trade?"). His software work is unremarkable (fetchmail is trivial and buggy, and CML2 was rejected by the Linux kernel developers), and he's made his career not by writing software but by attacking real hackers like Richard Stallman and trying to bring down their work, not by actually constructively developing any useful software himself. Attacking real hackers and trying to discourage people from using "free software" isn't "hacking". He used to call himself "Eric the Flute", and he would go on and on ad nauseum about his beloved "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle NetNews Reader" and how it was so much better than every other netnews reader. But he never collaborated with anyone, and he never released it under any license. Much more Bizarre than Cathedral. Just keep reading the other posts and quotes in this threads. You have a lot of catching up to do if you're still not convinced he's racist, assuming you're not just another one of his racist sycophants trying to rationalize his beliefs, carry his water, and mansplain away his racism. See his blog for many more examples of his racist statements ("Affirmative action _is_ racism, by definition." -ESR) and his followers sucking up to him. https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/780839196231630848 https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/780839196231630848 He has a huge following of racist alt-right pro-gun whack jobs (even the occasional self-loathing gay brony, not to mention "Tron Guy") who he panders to. Yes. THAT "Tron Guy": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9dutFhebw4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9dutFhebw4
- mises 7y ago
  I absolutely agree that he significantly overblows his technical acumen, and appears to make his name as a sort of ex-spokesman for open source. As you said, it seems that he's unfortunately moved more toward attacking others, which is sad. > assuming you're not just another one of his racist sycophants. Implying that all who do not agree with you are racist is a bit of a weighty allegation. I have no doubt you will call me a racist sycophant in retaliation. This is not to say I agree with him; I don't. > mansplain away his racism. Please don't use this term. It implies someone is doing something because of gender; how do you know the gender of the explainer? Or of all the explainees? It's a silly term used to attack certain points of view. If some one is a condescending horse's rear, just call him a condescending horse's rear. > Affirmative action _is_ racism, by definition This is a point agreed upon by many. Half the nation doesn't agree with you. This includes non-whites; it isn't fair to assume that every one who doesn't agree with you is racist. > He has a huge following of racist alt-right pro-gun whack jobs Guilt by association is not fair. Just because some one agrees with something I say doesn't mean I agree with what he says. Also, again not fair trying to paint all pro-gun people as whack jobs; much of the country disagrees with you. In summary, you make generally good points, but adulterate them with a political message hostile to many. You needlessly attack people for political beliefs which are reasonably main-stream, thus turning them away from otherwise good points about ESR's deficiencies. Discussion on this ought to stay intellectual, rather than devolving into personal attacks on vast swathes of people you have never met or conversed with.