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>>We won't get out of this as long as we see unemployed people as the plague What are you talking about? "Management" sees unemployed people, especially those

by moate 7y ago

>>We won't get out of this as long as we see unemployed people as the plague What are you talking about? "Management" sees unemployed people, especially those with actual skills, as a great asset. They provide a downward force on wages. It's only other laborers who see them as competition and a problem.

vertex-four 7y ago
Unemployed people are, in current society, often dependent on the state to survive, which means taxation to support them, which many people don't like and often implement policies to deny them that support.
- moate 7y ago
  So what you're telling me is that laborer's see the unemployed as both competition for their jobs(if low-wage, unskilled laborers) or siphoning money from them (if high-wage, skilled laborers) and that politicians then play that disdain into successful creation of policy targeting these unemployed people which directly benefits management by creating a constant underclass which they can tap into at any time for low cost due to the desperation of these people? I'm shocked.
  - lm28469 7y ago
    > So what you're telling me is that laborer's see the unemployed as both competition for their jobs Afaik you're the only one defending this position.
    - moate 7y ago
      In this thread or in the world? If thread, yes. If world...have you heard of Karl Marx?
lm28469 7y ago
> "Management" sees unemployed people as a great asset. > laborers who see them as competition More like people getting their tax money through unemployment benefits. No one thinks "God damn I love all these low skilled workers, they're such a good thing for our economy". Juts look at the US, lowest unemployment rate in decades because somehow it's the only metric that counts now, even if that means that the lower 5% has to work 2 full time jobs to make it work.
- moate 7y ago
  >>No one thinks "God damn I love all these low skilled workers, they're such a good thing for our economy" Yes. Yes they literally do. They also figuratively do when they say things like "You're replaceable so get back to work".
- briandear 7y ago
  > the lower 5% has to work 2 full time jobs to make it work. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/18/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wrong-several-counts-abou/ https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul...
  - maximente 7y ago
    useful article but doesn't really contradict that claim, just that AOC uber exaggerated. the percentages reported align with the claim and it's reasonable to assume they are the bottom 5% as opposed to somewhere in the top or middle.

by moate 7y ago

vertex-four 7y ago

Unemployed people are, in current society, often dependent on the state to survive, which means taxation to support them, which many people don't like and often implement policies to deny them that support.

moate 7y ago
So what you're telling me is that laborer's see the unemployed as both competition for their jobs(if low-wage, unskilled laborers) or siphoning money from them (if high-wage, skilled laborers) and that politicians then play that disdain into successful creation of policy targeting these unemployed people which directly benefits management by creating a constant underclass which they can tap into at any time for low cost due to the desperation of these people? I'm shocked.
- lm28469 7y ago
  > So what you're telling me is that laborer's see the unemployed as both competition for their jobs Afaik you're the only one defending this position.
  - moate 7y ago
    In this thread or in the world? If thread, yes. If world...have you heard of Karl Marx?

lm28469 7y ago

> "Management" sees unemployed people as a great asset. > laborers who see them as competition More like people getting their tax money through unemployment benefits. No one thinks "God damn I love all these low skilled workers, they're such a good thing for our economy". Juts look at the US, lowest unemployment rate in decades because somehow it's the only metric that counts now, even if that means that the lower 5% has to work 2 full time jobs to make it work.

moate 7y ago
>>No one thinks "God damn I love all these low skilled workers, they're such a good thing for our economy" Yes. Yes they literally do. They also figuratively do when they say things like "You're replaceable so get back to work".
briandear 7y ago
> the lower 5% has to work 2 full time jobs to make it work. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/18/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wrong-several-counts-abou/ https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul...
- maximente 7y ago
  useful article but doesn't really contradict that claim, just that AOC uber exaggerated. the percentages reported align with the claim and it's reasonable to assume they are the bottom 5% as opposed to somewhere in the top or middle.