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No it's not sad, that's how a healthy society is supposed to work: harmful content is being criticized and marginalized while useful contributions are accepted,

by blub 7y ago

No it's not sad, that's how a healthy society is supposed to work: harmful content is being criticized and marginalized while useful contributions are accepted, even if they come from the same person. I don't know wtf is up with people these days that they want to erase other humans from public discourse because they have done something bad. People aren't black and white, history has numerous examples of those that contributed beneficial things, while at the same time being less than ideal human beings. Please feel free to explain the author's transgressions through a comment in every submission of theirs, and leave the rest of us to judge the value of the submission on its own.

DonHopkins 7y ago
I certainly don't want to erase ESR. Just the opposite: I want to highlight him with the indelible marker of his own words. I want to educate people about what he's said and done. I want more people to know about his long well documented track record. The earnest questions people are asking about him in this thread means that many people don't actually know about him, and I and other people who do know have every right to answer those questions, provide quotes and citations, and even first hand testimony about his character and behavior from people who have known him for decades and had in-depth discussions with him in person and online, like I have (since the early 80's, when he used to hang out at science fiction conventions also attended by RMS, who he has made his career trying to destroy). I hate to come off like I'm trying to assassinate Eric Raymond's character, but it's fair game to quote the words of someone who's made his career trying to assassinate another person's character, who's done orders of magnitude more great work than he has. At least I'm not trying to make money and fame and sell books by attacking RMS, like ESR does. ESR does an excellent job of assassinating himself with his own words. So I will quote some of the worst ones (there are so many to choose from), but I don't have the stomach to actually link directly to his web site. Lest anyone criticize me for naming and shaming: https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/719621538257903616 https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/719621538257903616 Eric Raymond: "Name them and shame them. Do not hire them unless you want your organization politically disrupted and its productivity destroyed. Um. Disrupted by them, I mean. Not me or their opponents and innocent victims; we have more respect for liberty and freedom of association than that." [retweeting "The Complete List of SJWs]
- blub 7y ago
  You're free to do all of the above, but it's uncivil to want to forbid any and all possible contributions from someone in all domains because they said some hurtful things. This is what the person I replied to was suggesting.
  - DonHopkins 7y ago
    No jasonvorhe wasn't suggesting that, you are. He just said it was sad this guy is still getting airtime and attention. He didn't call for him to be banned from any domain, or propose any other course of action. And ESR isn't entitled to free airtime from any platform he wants. I sure don't know how you leaped to the mistaken conclusion of "forbidding" him from "all domains" or "erase other humans from public discourse" (italics yours) from what jasonvorhe said. I'd be happy for him to show his face around here and explain himself, rather than sending over his flying monkeys in spandex to speak for him, like he does to slashdot! https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=14122674&cid=58734492 https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=14122674&cid=58734... Yes, THAT Jay Maynard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9dutFhebw4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9dutFhebw4

by blub 7y ago

DonHopkins 7y ago

I certainly don't want to erase ESR. Just the opposite: I want to highlight him with the indelible marker of his own words. I want to educate people about what he's said and done. I want more people to know about his long well documented track record. The earnest questions people are asking about him in this thread means that many people don't actually know about him, and I and other people who do know have every right to answer those questions, provide quotes and citations, and even first hand testimony about his character and behavior from people who have known him for decades and had in-depth discussions with him in person and online, like I have (since the early 80's, when he used to hang out at science fiction conventions also attended by RMS, who he has made his career trying to destroy). I hate to come off like I'm trying to assassinate Eric Raymond's character, but it's fair game to quote the words of someone who's made his career trying to assassinate another person's character, who's done orders of magnitude more great work than he has. At least I'm not trying to make money and fame and sell books by attacking RMS, like ESR does. ESR does an excellent job of assassinating himself with his own words. So I will quote some of the worst ones (there are so many to choose from), but I don't have the stomach to actually link directly to his web site. Lest anyone criticize me for naming and shaming: https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/719621538257903616 https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/719621538257903616 Eric Raymond: "Name them and shame them. Do not hire them unless you want your organization politically disrupted and its productivity destroyed. Um. Disrupted by them, I mean. Not me or their opponents and innocent victims; we have more respect for liberty and freedom of association than that." [retweeting "The Complete List of SJWs]

blub 7y ago
You're free to do all of the above, but it's uncivil to want to forbid any and all possible contributions from someone in all domains because they said some hurtful things. This is what the person I replied to was suggesting.
- DonHopkins 7y ago
  No jasonvorhe wasn't suggesting that, you are. He just said it was sad this guy is still getting airtime and attention. He didn't call for him to be banned from any domain, or propose any other course of action. And ESR isn't entitled to free airtime from any platform he wants. I sure don't know how you leaped to the mistaken conclusion of "forbidding" him from "all domains" or "erase other humans from public discourse" (italics yours) from what jasonvorhe said. I'd be happy for him to show his face around here and explain himself, rather than sending over his flying monkeys in spandex to speak for him, like he does to slashdot! https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=14122674&cid=58734492 https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=14122674&cid=58734... Yes, THAT Jay Maynard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9dutFhebw4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9dutFhebw4