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Why?

by cheez 7y ago

Why?

DonHopkins 7y ago
Here is but one facet of many that explain why. If this isn't enough, I can quote some of his many racist tweets and blog postings for you, but they will turn your stomach. http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/The-Decline-and-Fall-of-Eric-S.-Raymond http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruc... >The Decline and Fall of Eric S. Raymond >Around the start of the millennium, Eric S. Raymond was one of the philosophical leaders of open source. His essay and book, The Cathedral and the Bazaar was obligatory reading for executives trying to understand open source. Now, after lying low for over a decade, Raymond is getting attention again, this time for two blog entries in which he rants about how so-called Social Justice Warriors (SJWs) threaten open source. >[...] Raymond's call to defend open source from SJWs is as deceptive as anything he attributes to his enemies. Free and open source software is too widespread to need defending, and his attempt to create an issue does not map well on to actual events. For those who remember his earlier contributions to open source, his recent comments make for a disappointing epilogue.
- cheez 7y ago
  I don't see how any of what you've quoted would turn my stomach. He is entitled to his beliefs, is he not? Edit: Nevermind, I see your other posts. No need to respond here thanks.
  - DonHopkins 7y ago
    Congratulations on your iron gutted tolerance of intolerance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance As I said, he had a lot of sycophants and supporters who his thinly veiled and blatant racism resonates with, instead of disgusts. They hang out on his blog, and sometimes come out of the woodwork to drop his name, carry his water, and justify his racism, whenever they notice discussions like this. Namedropping "ESR" http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5266 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5266 (read in a smarmy voice) "2. Do drop my name if by doing so you can achieve some mission objective of which I would approve. Examples that have come up: encouraging people to design in accordance with the Unix philosophy, or settling a dispute about hacker slang, or explaining why it's important for everyone's freedom for the hacker community to hang together and not get bogged down in internal doctrinal disputes." -Eric S Raymond What makes you believe I don't think he's entitled to his beliefs? Or is that just a straw man? He's entitled to believe anything he likes, just not entitled to be tolerated for his intolerance. But if you want to do that yourself, go knock yourself out. He's also entitled to have other people openly discuss and criticize his beliefs, and drop his name after quoting his own words.
    - cheez 7y ago
      It should bother you that you are so upset about it. The color you add is indicative that you do not want me to form my own opinion. He's a guy saying stuff. You insist that it should "turn my stomach" but it doesn't. So now what? Should I be forced to acquiesce to your particular social tastes? If not, then what is your goal?
      - DonHopkins 7y ago
        It must be so soothing and sanguine for you not to be upset by racism and sexism, nor to be able to recognize it. Why are you having such a hard time forming your own opinion? You shouldn't let the color of words or skin prevent you from doing that. That's certainly not my intention. That's why I'm providing you with direct irrefutable quotes. I'm just a guy saying stuff, too. It's not my fault if you choose to agree with him instead of me. Does this quote tickle your fancy, or turn your stomach? Should all sensible white women abandon the software industry? Would you like to mansplain what they should be doing instead? >"The SJW’s definition of “being a dick” is “having one”. A white male cannot be hired at google unless he physically chops it off. America is a disgusting aberration." -ceee3 "No, most of their techies are still white and male. People who meet the IQ minimum for those jobs are too rare in non-white populations other than East Asians for it to be otherwise. And most white women who meet the threshold have sensibly decided they can have better lives somewhere other than software engineering." -Eric S Raymond (I won't link to his blog, but you can easily google for his words if you want to read them in context and relish the color he adds.)
        cheez 7y ago
        And that is where your comments are a microcosm of the greater political picture: I don't have to agree with either of you. > It's not my fault if you choose to agree with him instead of me. Do I agree that white males have to chop off their penis to be hired at Google? No, but what is the average testosterone level of the males at Google vs the greater population? That would be an interesting data point.
        7y ago

Why?

by cheez 7y ago

Why?

Here is but one facet of many that explain why. If this isn't enough, I can quote some of his many racist tweets and blog postings for you, but they will turn your stomach. http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/The-Decline-and-Fall-of-Eric-S.-Raymond http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruc... >The Decline and Fall of Eric S. Raymond >Around the start of the millennium, Eric S. Raymond was one of the philosophical leaders of open source. His essay and book, The Cathedral and the Bazaar was obligatory reading for executives trying to understand open source. Now, after lying low for over a decade, Raymond is getting attention again, this time for two blog entries in which he rants about how so-called Social Justice Warriors (SJWs) threaten open source. >[...] Raymond's call to defend open source from SJWs is as deceptive as anything he attributes to his enemies. Free and open source software is too widespread to need defending, and his attempt to create an issue does not map well on to actual events. For those who remember his earlier contributions to open source, his recent comments make for a disappointing epilogue.

cheez 7y ago
I don't see how any of what you've quoted would turn my stomach. He is entitled to his beliefs, is he not? Edit: Nevermind, I see your other posts. No need to respond here thanks.
- DonHopkins 7y ago
  Congratulations on your iron gutted tolerance of intolerance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance As I said, he had a lot of sycophants and supporters who his thinly veiled and blatant racism resonates with, instead of disgusts. They hang out on his blog, and sometimes come out of the woodwork to drop his name, carry his water, and justify his racism, whenever they notice discussions like this. Namedropping "ESR" http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5266 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5266 (read in a smarmy voice) "2. Do drop my name if by doing so you can achieve some mission objective of which I would approve. Examples that have come up: encouraging people to design in accordance with the Unix philosophy, or settling a dispute about hacker slang, or explaining why it's important for everyone's freedom for the hacker community to hang together and not get bogged down in internal doctrinal disputes." -Eric S Raymond What makes you believe I don't think he's entitled to his beliefs? Or is that just a straw man? He's entitled to believe anything he likes, just not entitled to be tolerated for his intolerance. But if you want to do that yourself, go knock yourself out. He's also entitled to have other people openly discuss and criticize his beliefs, and drop his name after quoting his own words.
  - cheez 7y ago
    It should bother you that you are so upset about it. The color you add is indicative that you do not want me to form my own opinion. He's a guy saying stuff. You insist that it should "turn my stomach" but it doesn't. So now what? Should I be forced to acquiesce to your particular social tastes? If not, then what is your goal?
    - DonHopkins 7y ago
      It must be so soothing and sanguine for you not to be upset by racism and sexism, nor to be able to recognize it. Why are you having such a hard time forming your own opinion? You shouldn't let the color of words or skin prevent you from doing that. That's certainly not my intention. That's why I'm providing you with direct irrefutable quotes. I'm just a guy saying stuff, too. It's not my fault if you choose to agree with him instead of me. Does this quote tickle your fancy, or turn your stomach? Should all sensible white women abandon the software industry? Would you like to mansplain what they should be doing instead? >"The SJW’s definition of “being a dick” is “having one”. A white male cannot be hired at google unless he physically chops it off. America is a disgusting aberration." -ceee3 "No, most of their techies are still white and male. People who meet the IQ minimum for those jobs are too rare in non-white populations other than East Asians for it to be otherwise. And most white women who meet the threshold have sensibly decided they can have better lives somewhere other than software engineering." -Eric S Raymond (I won't link to his blog, but you can easily google for his words if you want to read them in context and relish the color he adds.)
      - cheez 7y ago
        And that is where your comments are a microcosm of the greater political picture: I don't have to agree with either of you. > It's not my fault if you choose to agree with him instead of me. Do I agree that white males have to chop off their penis to be hired at Google? No, but what is the average testosterone level of the males at Google vs the greater population? That would be an interesting data point.
        7y ago