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> Still, it's not so bad as the Windows XP-7 epoch, when eldritch nightmares walked the land. You are speaking like an Apple fanboy. Days of XP are in the past

> Still, it's not so bad as the Windows XP-7 epoch, when eldritch nightmares walked the land. You are speaking like an Apple fanboy. Days of XP are in the past and even Windows 7/Windows 2008 fairs better than Apple OSX and iOS. This is especially bad as apple sells a false sense of security when they fail to build even the basics correctly. Their walled garden is paved with expensive ibricks. Edit: Those who think I am speaking rubbish can refer this link. https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php

kalleboo 7y ago
> Edit: Those who think I am speaking rubbish can refer this link. https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php That listing groups together all OS X bugs back to 2002 under one heading, but splits up each Windows version into its own entity. So the numbers aren't really comparable.
- bildung 7y ago
  But the bottom of that page has a cumulative count by vendor which shows Apple having the second most security issues, only topped by Microsoft. Considering the fact that Microsoft has much bigger market share and therefore security research attention, that's quite an achievement.
  - ricardobeat 7y ago
    You mean MS historically has 100% more security issues. Also IE alone competes with entire OSes in that top 10. That proves the other comment right, but surely you can spin it other ways. Anyone who has switched from old windows to Mac doesn’t need numbers to tell how wild it was.
    - bildung 7y ago
      > You mean MS historically has 100% more security issues. For an OS used 1000% as often[0], yes. I have no skin in this game, BTW, as I use neither. But given the number of security issues Apple has, I really bothers me that they still sell those products as somehow more secure. [0] = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Desktop_and_laptop_computers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...
  - kalleboo 7y ago
    I'm not going to comment on Apple's software security standards (and Microsoft deserves more kudos for their focus on security after the bad old days of XP), I'm just pointing out that summing up CVEs is not a valid way to compare. > Considering the fact that Microsoft has much bigger market share and therefore security research attention The OS X bug numbers also include a bunch of bugs for open source projects that are bundled with OS X (Perl, Ruby, Python, SQLite, PHP etc) which increases the security research attention.
Razengan 7y ago
Even now, I don't think any of macOS's recent failings are as bad as the Windows 10 update that deleted user documents [0], or all the official spyware and adware in the only operating system where you have to pay to even customize your wallpaper. As for mobile, does anybody remember hearing of any iOS cross-app malware ("viruses") in the decade since it launched? I think that's pretty amazing. [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+update+deleted+documents https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+update+deleted+docum...
- drieddust 7y ago
  Apple sells privacy and security so they should live up to the standards they have set for themselves[1]. They were actively misleading peoplebby running advertisements claiming MACs don't get virueses[2]. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/06/21/new-critical-security-warning-for-iphone-and-ipad-users/#bd840543efcd https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/06/21/new-crit... [2] https://www.wired.com/2012/06/mac-viruses/ https://www.wired.com/2012/06/mac-viruses/
  - augusto2112 7y ago
    Your second link is an article from 2012 that says Apple stopped saying Macs can’t get viruses...
    - drieddust 7y ago
      Not getting a virus is a theoretical impossibility so Apple claiming the contrary is dishonest. Moreover Apple only stopped after misleading users for a long time and that also hapenned after high profile incidents as explained in the article.
      - Razengan 7y ago
        Did iOS ever have a “virus”?
        7y ago
rtrr_eter 7y ago
There are too many of apple fanboys to find rational arguments against apple. That doesn't make them good at anything other than marketing.

kalleboo 7y ago

> Edit: Those who think I am speaking rubbish can refer this link. https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php That listing groups together all OS X bugs back to 2002 under one heading, but splits up each Windows version into its own entity. So the numbers aren't really comparable.

bildung 7y ago
But the bottom of that page has a cumulative count by vendor which shows Apple having the second most security issues, only topped by Microsoft. Considering the fact that Microsoft has much bigger market share and therefore security research attention, that's quite an achievement.
- ricardobeat 7y ago
  You mean MS historically has 100% more security issues. Also IE alone competes with entire OSes in that top 10. That proves the other comment right, but surely you can spin it other ways. Anyone who has switched from old windows to Mac doesn’t need numbers to tell how wild it was.
  - bildung 7y ago
    > You mean MS historically has 100% more security issues. For an OS used 1000% as often[0], yes. I have no skin in this game, BTW, as I use neither. But given the number of security issues Apple has, I really bothers me that they still sell those products as somehow more secure. [0] = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Desktop_and_laptop_computers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...
- kalleboo 7y ago
  I'm not going to comment on Apple's software security standards (and Microsoft deserves more kudos for their focus on security after the bad old days of XP), I'm just pointing out that summing up CVEs is not a valid way to compare. > Considering the fact that Microsoft has much bigger market share and therefore security research attention The OS X bug numbers also include a bunch of bugs for open source projects that are bundled with OS X (Perl, Ruby, Python, SQLite, PHP etc) which increases the security research attention.

Razengan 7y ago

Even now, I don't think any of macOS's recent failings are as bad as the Windows 10 update that deleted user documents [0], or all the official spyware and adware in the only operating system where you have to pay to even customize your wallpaper. As for mobile, does anybody remember hearing of any iOS cross-app malware ("viruses") in the decade since it launched? I think that's pretty amazing. [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+update+deleted+documents https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+update+deleted+docum...

drieddust 7y ago
Apple sells privacy and security so they should live up to the standards they have set for themselves[1]. They were actively misleading peoplebby running advertisements claiming MACs don't get virueses[2]. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/06/21/new-critical-security-warning-for-iphone-and-ipad-users/#bd840543efcd https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/06/21/new-crit... [2] https://www.wired.com/2012/06/mac-viruses/ https://www.wired.com/2012/06/mac-viruses/
- augusto2112 7y ago
  Your second link is an article from 2012 that says Apple stopped saying Macs can’t get viruses...
  - drieddust 7y ago
    Not getting a virus is a theoretical impossibility so Apple claiming the contrary is dishonest. Moreover Apple only stopped after misleading users for a long time and that also hapenned after high profile incidents as explained in the article.
    - Razengan 7y ago
      Did iOS ever have a “virus”?
      - 7y ago

rtrr_eter 7y ago

There are too many of apple fanboys to find rational arguments against apple. That doesn't make them good at anything other than marketing.