Elephant in the room: the hostility of the LISP community. Is there any language community with quite the reputation for unwelcoming unpleasantness, combined wi

Elephant in the room: the hostility of the LISP community. Is there any language community with quite the reputation for unwelcoming unpleasantness, combined with the opposite - no counterbalancing reputation for welcoming friendliness? That people feel bad when they try to enter LISP world is much documented[1]. That Python and, say, Julia, managed to get reputations as welcoming communities long after Eternal September says the problem isn't "everyone" invading Usenet. I'm expecting immediate downvotes for this comment, but what I really hope for is "yes I have that feeling about LISP world compared to other languages" or "no I feel LISP world is represented approximately the same as other languages". [1] e.g. https://eli.thegreenplace.net/2006/10/27/the-sad-state-of-the-lisp-user-community https://eli.thegreenplace.net/2006/10/27/the-sad-state-of-th... from which comes this > "And yes, I think it still represents the comp.lang.lisp group, even in the post-Naggum area. Just look up the latest debate of the shortcomings of Common Lisp that was incited by Steve Yegge. Lisp is as close to a perfect programming language as any, and its zealots guard it rabidly. Criticism isn't tolerated. Ignorance isn't tolerated - which drives many newbies away quite quickly. Lisp has been attacked so much before, that any post by a newbie meekly seeking an advice on some arcane feature gets immediately interpreted as criticism and turns into a flame war. True, Erik Naggum was the main cause of such flame wars in the past, but he wasn't the only one. Wake up, Common Lisp gurus - your language is so unpopular because of you - there is no one else to blame. If you ever asked yourself why is CL much less popular than the obviously "brain dead" Perl (paraphrasing Naggum's favorite Perl quote), the answer is the community, that is you."