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> I recommend you simply to switch to AMD if you are using Linux and want a high end GPU. That's the only way for you to get a usable desktop with modern featur

> I recommend you simply to switch to AMD if you are using Linux and want a high end GPU. That's the only way for you to get a usable desktop with modern features. This is just not true. Gnome with Wayland is one of the most popular and modern DEs and it supports Nvidia's proprietary drivers today.

ufo 7y ago
Nvidia still doesn't work as well as other gpus under wayland, which is why GbOME still uses X by default for NVIDIA
shmerl 7y ago
OP explicitly mentioned Sway (based on wlroots), not Gnome (mutter). Besides, even Gnome can't handle XWayland with Nvidia today. And if you play games, especially in Wine, that's still a requirement. While Gnome developers bent under Nvidia's pressure, other compositor developers aren't interested in accommodating exceptions for blobs and wasting their resources on that. TL;DR: just ditch Nvidia and forget about all their horrors. They really have no place in Linux ecosystem today, because of their refusal to upstream their drivers and because of preventing Nouveau from doing it for them.
- effie 7y ago
  Well, they don't play as nice as AMD, but they do at least give you working drivers. They do have place for consumers, there are valid use cases for Nvidia on Linux, such as: 1) top performance available on the market; 2) off-the-shelf passive cooled 4K capable cards (GT 1030); 3) (significantly) better performance per watt and less noise for high-end cards. I still prefer AMD for their play-nice attitude with Linux and seemingly better track record on behaviour towards consumers, but Nvidia for the last years have been offering better hardware.
  - shmerl 7y ago
    Given all the above, I'd call them "working", not working :) > top performance available on the market; Not anymore with new Navi cards. And competition in the Linux market will probably get even stronger with Intel releasing new GPUs with open drivers next year. I.e. there will be no reason to buy Nvidia anymore with all the blob downsides that aren't going to disappear. > off-the-shelf passive cooled 4K capable cards (GT 1030); For gaming 4K is really a read herring today, and for regular non gaming desktop use case, you don't need strong GPUs even for 4K. > (significantly) better performance per watt and less noise for high-end cards. Also not anymore with Navi. So I'd say things today look pretty bad for Nvidia on Linux, and they'll be gradually losing Linux desktop market, until they will start playing nice with upstream. Time will tell if they actually will. I don't think they care though. And neither Linux users would care to use them.
  - vbernat 7y ago
    I have run a GT 1030 with a pair of 4K displays for a few months and the performance is terrible (for a desktop usage). I don't know where the bottleneck is (PCI bandwidth maybe) but you should avoid this card. I have replaced it with an RX550 and I don't have any performance problem anymore. It is not passively cooled, but the fan can be stopped from software if you want.
    - effie 7y ago
      Perhaps you got the "disgrace version" of GT 1030 with slow DDR4 in place of GDDR5? [1] [1] https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3330-gt-1030-ddr4-vs-gt-1030-gddr5-benchmark-worst-graphics-card-2018 https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3330-gt-1030-ddr4-vs-g...
      - vbernat 7y ago
        Yes, I have the DDR4 version. I wouldn't have thought it would matter much for a desktop usage.
- themacguffinman 7y ago
  > OP explicitly mentioned Sway (based on wlroots), not Gnome (mutter) My parent commenter did not refer to Sway, that's why I rejected the claim that AMD is the "only way for you to get a usable desktop with modern features". > even Gnome can't handle XWayland with Nvidia today. And if you play games, especially in Wine, that's still a requirement I'm not sure what you're referring to. I've successfully launched and played Wine games with Nvidia proprietary drivers in Gnome with Wayland.
  - shmerl 7y ago
    > I'm not sure what you're referring to. I've successfully launched and played Wine games with Nvidia proprietary drivers in Gnome with Wayland. How exactly, when it's not supported: https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/NVIDIA https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/NVIDIA There is currently no accelerated GLX support when running a GNOME Wayland session no top of the NVIDIA drivers, meaning X11 OpenGL applications will use software rendering.
    - themacguffinman 7y ago
      I can't say I know the details, but I have played CS:GO (non-wine) and Overwatch on Wine without any special hacks with performance indicative of GPU, not CPU rendering. Perhaps it's because they're using Vulkan instead, or the docs are alluding to edge cases that I haven't encountered? I have very little technical knowledge of how it works, but I can say that it is absolutely working.
      - shmerl 7y ago
        You likely weren't using Wayland session, but X11 one.
        themacguffinman 7y ago
        No, I definitely wasn't. The games may be running through XWayland, but my Gnome was definitely running with Wayland.

ufo 7y ago

Nvidia still doesn't work as well as other gpus under wayland, which is why GbOME still uses X by default for NVIDIA

shmerl 7y ago

OP explicitly mentioned Sway (based on wlroots), not Gnome (mutter). Besides, even Gnome can't handle XWayland with Nvidia today. And if you play games, especially in Wine, that's still a requirement. While Gnome developers bent under Nvidia's pressure, other compositor developers aren't interested in accommodating exceptions for blobs and wasting their resources on that. TL;DR: just ditch Nvidia and forget about all their horrors. They really have no place in Linux ecosystem today, because of their refusal to upstream their drivers and because of preventing Nouveau from doing it for them.

effie 7y ago
Well, they don't play as nice as AMD, but they do at least give you working drivers. They do have place for consumers, there are valid use cases for Nvidia on Linux, such as: 1) top performance available on the market; 2) off-the-shelf passive cooled 4K capable cards (GT 1030); 3) (significantly) better performance per watt and less noise for high-end cards. I still prefer AMD for their play-nice attitude with Linux and seemingly better track record on behaviour towards consumers, but Nvidia for the last years have been offering better hardware.
- shmerl 7y ago
  Given all the above, I'd call them "working", not working :) > top performance available on the market; Not anymore with new Navi cards. And competition in the Linux market will probably get even stronger with Intel releasing new GPUs with open drivers next year. I.e. there will be no reason to buy Nvidia anymore with all the blob downsides that aren't going to disappear. > off-the-shelf passive cooled 4K capable cards (GT 1030); For gaming 4K is really a read herring today, and for regular non gaming desktop use case, you don't need strong GPUs even for 4K. > (significantly) better performance per watt and less noise for high-end cards. Also not anymore with Navi. So I'd say things today look pretty bad for Nvidia on Linux, and they'll be gradually losing Linux desktop market, until they will start playing nice with upstream. Time will tell if they actually will. I don't think they care though. And neither Linux users would care to use them.
- vbernat 7y ago
  I have run a GT 1030 with a pair of 4K displays for a few months and the performance is terrible (for a desktop usage). I don't know where the bottleneck is (PCI bandwidth maybe) but you should avoid this card. I have replaced it with an RX550 and I don't have any performance problem anymore. It is not passively cooled, but the fan can be stopped from software if you want.
  - effie 7y ago
    Perhaps you got the "disgrace version" of GT 1030 with slow DDR4 in place of GDDR5? [1] [1] https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3330-gt-1030-ddr4-vs-gt-1030-gddr5-benchmark-worst-graphics-card-2018 https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3330-gt-1030-ddr4-vs-g...
    - vbernat 7y ago
      Yes, I have the DDR4 version. I wouldn't have thought it would matter much for a desktop usage.
themacguffinman 7y ago
> OP explicitly mentioned Sway (based on wlroots), not Gnome (mutter) My parent commenter did not refer to Sway, that's why I rejected the claim that AMD is the "only way for you to get a usable desktop with modern features". > even Gnome can't handle XWayland with Nvidia today. And if you play games, especially in Wine, that's still a requirement I'm not sure what you're referring to. I've successfully launched and played Wine games with Nvidia proprietary drivers in Gnome with Wayland.
- shmerl 7y ago
  > I'm not sure what you're referring to. I've successfully launched and played Wine games with Nvidia proprietary drivers in Gnome with Wayland. How exactly, when it's not supported: https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/NVIDIA https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/NVIDIA There is currently no accelerated GLX support when running a GNOME Wayland session no top of the NVIDIA drivers, meaning X11 OpenGL applications will use software rendering.
  - themacguffinman 7y ago
    I can't say I know the details, but I have played CS:GO (non-wine) and Overwatch on Wine without any special hacks with performance indicative of GPU, not CPU rendering. Perhaps it's because they're using Vulkan instead, or the docs are alluding to edge cases that I haven't encountered? I have very little technical knowledge of how it works, but I can say that it is absolutely working.
    - shmerl 7y ago
      You likely weren't using Wayland session, but X11 one.
      - themacguffinman 7y ago
        No, I definitely wasn't. The games may be running through XWayland, but my Gnome was definitely running with Wayland.