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I'm really not very sad to see X go. It was old, creaky and insecure. As advanced and cool as it may have been at one time, and as much as I respect the people
by logicprog 7y ago
I'm really not very sad to see X go. It was old, creaky and insecure. As advanced and cool as it may have been at one time, and as much as I respect the people who worked on it, it's time for it to go.
As for the people complaining about Wayland possibly missing some of X's features, remember that it takes time for something to mature, to accrete features and fixes, and Wayland hasn't had that time yet. If we give it the time and support it could and almost definitely will grow into something even better than X. We can't stay on X forever without incurring even worse results on ourselves than what we'll get when we switch to Wayland.
And another thing. For the people who complain about Wayland in the same breath as PulseAudio and SystemD: this tells is much more about you than about these projects. The only thing Wayland has in common with the other two is that it's new, and that you don't like it. It's more modular and more UNIXy and more open than X, arguably.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago> As for the people complaining about Wayland possibly missing some of X's features, remember that it takes time for something to mature, to accrete features and fixes, and Wayland hasn't had that time yet. It has been a decade, precisely how long does it need to catch up? I ask because from what I can tell it is still missing features that were standard in Windows Vista in 2008, when that OS switched to DWM and WDDM.
- logicprog 7y agoIf you're talking about screen recording and screenshots, fair point, except that that lack is a result of designing for security.
- temac 7y agoHum, you can as well reach perfect security by keeping your computer powered off.
- logicprog 7y agoHaha! Yeah, that's true.
- acqq 7y ago> that lack is a result of designing for security That still doesn't mean that I don't need screen recorder and screenshot functionality. Everybody wants both security and features. And it's more that "can't be done" with Wayland, in spite of the needs existing and not going away.
- ibotty 7y agoBut there are ways to capture the screen. For a while now. But safer.
- zzo38computer 7y agoMy own ideas (for improving X system, although maybe it could be used with Wayland too, I don't know) is using proxies to correct those kind of problems.
- wmf 7y agoMost developers have been sitting on the sidelines until Wayland is on by default. I would expect to see the long tail of features added after that.
- p_l 7y agoA lot of that is due to lack of those features. It's really not worth it when you are facing huge downside in usability on things that should have been accounted for in core protocol(-set), but a decade later you need to face aloha-quality, unstable warring incompatible proposals.
- ubercow13 7y agoWith pulse, wasn't the main complaint that it was buggy for too long after being pushed on users? Seems similar to Wayland (the ecosystem) in that regard