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It probably is, though they didn't explicitly state that. Windows 1903 is used, and AMD's latest strategy to improve Windows performance is in place. Basically

It probably is, though they didn't explicitly state that. Windows 1903 is used, and AMD's latest strategy to improve Windows performance is in place. Basically, if the higher clock of the 9700K can be put to use in a single-threaded application, then that chip can still come out on top. But in enough scenarios, the Ryzen 3700X and 3900X are quite competitive.

beatgammit 7y ago
Single threaded performance isn't really that interesting anymore except for some specific gaming benchmarks, and even in gaming, you're unlikely to be bottlenecked by single threaded performance (though memory latency could be an issue).
- polskibus 7y ago
  It is still important in compilation. That means it affect developers work many many times per day.
  - jandrese 7y ago
    Compiling has generally been easier to parallelize I thought? Using make -j<whatever> has been around for a long time. If you're only compiling one file then it's harder to get an improvement, but a single file should be quick anyway so there's not a huge need to speed it up. It's not like you're doing something silly and including boost are you?
    - polskibus 7y ago
      In large projects, that are multiple dependency chains, that cannot be fully parallelized. There's a critical, often a bit long path, for which single threaded is still very important. Another thing is that various platforms like nodejs, etc. may not be able to utilize parallelism much, adding to the ST importance.
- neogodless 7y ago
  I agree. Just answering the question in the thread!
- MikusR 7y ago
  Web browsing is still single threaded. Games still have a very busy main thread.
  - hyperbovine 7y ago
    > Web browsing is still single threaded. Only in the narrow sense that processes are not threads. See `Window > Task Manager` in Chrome.
  - trynumber9 7y ago
    Firefox Kraken is faster on the 3700X, for example. It'll come down more to which browser you use than the processor.
  - hajile 7y ago
    1 UI thread !== only 1 thread Firefox and chrome use a half-dozen or so threads parsing and compiling JS code so it loads quickly. Firefox's Quantum work adds a lot of threads for rendering as well. In addition, service workers, web workers, and Wasm all spawn additional processes which serve the same purpose if you aren't sharing memory directly. That said, the Phoronix Selenium tests show AMD ahead by quite a bit. (source)[https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-3700x-3900x-linux&num=6 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-37...]
    - MikusR 7y ago
      So Servo is just snake-oil?
      - hajile 7y ago
        Firefox's quantum work comes from their servo work, so I'd say it's been valuable.
polskibus 7y ago
From comments on the article: " They are with Spectre and Meltdown mitigations. They are not new enough results to include anything for Fallout/ZombieLoad." Not sure if including the latter mitigations would make AMD beat Intel in single threaded.

beatgammit 7y ago

Single threaded performance isn't really that interesting anymore except for some specific gaming benchmarks, and even in gaming, you're unlikely to be bottlenecked by single threaded performance (though memory latency could be an issue).

polskibus 7y ago
It is still important in compilation. That means it affect developers work many many times per day.
- jandrese 7y ago
  Compiling has generally been easier to parallelize I thought? Using make -j<whatever> has been around for a long time. If you're only compiling one file then it's harder to get an improvement, but a single file should be quick anyway so there's not a huge need to speed it up. It's not like you're doing something silly and including boost are you?
  - polskibus 7y ago
    In large projects, that are multiple dependency chains, that cannot be fully parallelized. There's a critical, often a bit long path, for which single threaded is still very important. Another thing is that various platforms like nodejs, etc. may not be able to utilize parallelism much, adding to the ST importance.
neogodless 7y ago
I agree. Just answering the question in the thread!
MikusR 7y ago
Web browsing is still single threaded. Games still have a very busy main thread.
- hyperbovine 7y ago
  > Web browsing is still single threaded. Only in the narrow sense that processes are not threads. See `Window > Task Manager` in Chrome.
- trynumber9 7y ago
  Firefox Kraken is faster on the 3700X, for example. It'll come down more to which browser you use than the processor.
- hajile 7y ago
  1 UI thread !== only 1 thread Firefox and chrome use a half-dozen or so threads parsing and compiling JS code so it loads quickly. Firefox's Quantum work adds a lot of threads for rendering as well. In addition, service workers, web workers, and Wasm all spawn additional processes which serve the same purpose if you aren't sharing memory directly. That said, the Phoronix Selenium tests show AMD ahead by quite a bit. (source)[https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-3700x-3900x-linux&num=6 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-37...]
  - MikusR 7y ago
    So Servo is just snake-oil?
    - hajile 7y ago
      Firefox's quantum work comes from their servo work, so I'd say it's been valuable.

polskibus 7y ago

From comments on the article: " They are with Spectre and Meltdown mitigations. They are not new enough results to include anything for Fallout/ZombieLoad." Not sure if including the latter mitigations would make AMD beat Intel in single threaded.