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One interesting bit I (re-)learned from this is that Multics Emacs was the first Emacs implemented in LISP, so although RMS implemented the first Emacs in TECO,

One interesting bit I (re-)learned from this is that Multics Emacs was the first Emacs implemented in LISP, so although RMS implemented the first Emacs in TECO, and implemented the currently most popular Emacs, LISP was introduced into it by someone else. And RMS makes no secret of that: https://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.html https://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.html so I probably learned this before at some point.

lispm 7y ago
> Multics Emacs was the first Emacs implemented in LISP No, the first Emacs in Lisp was the one from Dan Weinreb for the Lisp Machine, which was also the second Emacs implementation. It was called EINE, EINE Is Not Emacs. Then ZWEI, ZWEI Was EINE Initially.
- microtherion 7y ago
  I stand corrected! And I could have learned that if I had read the footnote in RMS' article...
- p_l 7y ago
  Didn't Multics Emacs predate ZWEI? Or was kind of contemporary to it?
  - LukeShu 7y ago
    It's my understanding that the EINE (v1) → ZWEI (v2) rename happened in the '80s, but that EINE was just slightly before Multics Emacs.
  - lispm 7y ago
    The Lisp Machine progress report from 1977 already mentions its Emacs-like editor.
- DonHopkins 7y ago
  However, MINCE Is Not Complete EMACS. (Hey Gyro!) Check out the gorgeous Creative Computing ad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINCE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINCE And contrast with the ugly UniPress Emacs ad: https://imgur.com/zFRzPYQ https://imgur.com/zFRzPYQ If you edit please try Emacs. PROGRAMMER GENERAL'S WARNING: Inferior Editors Cause Decreased Productivity Or Vaporware And May Complicate Development. UniPress Emacs: Less than 90MB "tar"(1). Also ZMACS is ZetaLisp eMACS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zmacs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zmacs And CLIMAX is Common Lisp Interface Manager emACS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climacs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climacs Of course JOVE is Jonathan's Own Version of Emacs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JOVE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JOVE Sadly ZILE is Lossy Emacs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Zile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Zile Worse yet, VILE is VI Like Emacs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vile_(editor) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vile_(editor)

lispm 7y ago

> Multics Emacs was the first Emacs implemented in LISP No, the first Emacs in Lisp was the one from Dan Weinreb for the Lisp Machine, which was also the second Emacs implementation. It was called EINE, EINE Is Not Emacs. Then ZWEI, ZWEI Was EINE Initially.

microtherion 7y ago
I stand corrected! And I could have learned that if I had read the footnote in RMS' article...
p_l 7y ago
Didn't Multics Emacs predate ZWEI? Or was kind of contemporary to it?
- LukeShu 7y ago
  It's my understanding that the EINE (v1) → ZWEI (v2) rename happened in the '80s, but that EINE was just slightly before Multics Emacs.
- lispm 7y ago
  The Lisp Machine progress report from 1977 already mentions its Emacs-like editor.
DonHopkins 7y ago
However, MINCE Is Not Complete EMACS. (Hey Gyro!) Check out the gorgeous Creative Computing ad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINCE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINCE And contrast with the ugly UniPress Emacs ad: https://imgur.com/zFRzPYQ https://imgur.com/zFRzPYQ If you edit please try Emacs. PROGRAMMER GENERAL'S WARNING: Inferior Editors Cause Decreased Productivity Or Vaporware And May Complicate Development. UniPress Emacs: Less than 90MB "tar"(1). Also ZMACS is ZetaLisp eMACS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zmacs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zmacs And CLIMAX is Common Lisp Interface Manager emACS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climacs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climacs Of course JOVE is Jonathan's Own Version of Emacs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JOVE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JOVE Sadly ZILE is Lossy Emacs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Zile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Zile Worse yet, VILE is VI Like Emacs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vile_(editor) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vile_(editor)