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1. Mac OS somehow achieved exactly this. 2. Actually no-changes and no-brainers are bad for mental health of elderly. In that age brain needs training.

dash2 7y ago
Tell that to my Dad when he can't access his email because they tweaked the UI yet again.
lolc 7y ago
Yeah retirement home staff is going to switch my shell every week so I stay alert! If the only thing keeping me cognitively engaged in old age will be UI changes, I might as well die.
ris 7y ago
> 1. Mac OS somehow achieved exactly this. You're right - that's why macos definitely hasn't spawned suspiciously debian-like package managers in an attempt to handle all these problems. And if we're talking about "app bundles", if you dig a bit deeper you'll find most of these applications which "just work" just bundle all of their dependency libs. God knows if they bother to update them or do a security release if vulnerabilities are found in their bundled libs!
- phosphophyllite 7y ago
  > bundle all of their dependency libs Mother of God! Very popular argument. No one cares (in terms of architecture). > vulnerabilities are found in their bundled libs! Yes, god only knows how entire install base of mac and windows machines works today (this problem is not as big as you try to present here). Your arguments like debate about linux monolithic and minix micro kernel architecture. Minix is more advanced in theory, linux (not linux desktop) working in reality.
  - ris 7y ago
    > god only knows how entire install base of mac and windows machines works today The issue being that, for a lot of people, they often work a little too well. If you're going to follow the philosophy that caring about the correctness, lack of duplication and security of an installed application is too esoteric to be relevant, I'll remind you that you're entirely free to do that to any extent you like with linux. Equally people like me are free to tell people who do that that they will receive no support from me for such a setup.

dash2 7y ago

Tell that to my Dad when he can't access his email because they tweaked the UI yet again.

lolc 7y ago

Yeah retirement home staff is going to switch my shell every week so I stay alert! If the only thing keeping me cognitively engaged in old age will be UI changes, I might as well die.

ris 7y ago

> 1. Mac OS somehow achieved exactly this. You're right - that's why macos definitely hasn't spawned suspiciously debian-like package managers in an attempt to handle all these problems. And if we're talking about "app bundles", if you dig a bit deeper you'll find most of these applications which "just work" just bundle all of their dependency libs. God knows if they bother to update them or do a security release if vulnerabilities are found in their bundled libs!

phosphophyllite 7y ago
> bundle all of their dependency libs Mother of God! Very popular argument. No one cares (in terms of architecture). > vulnerabilities are found in their bundled libs! Yes, god only knows how entire install base of mac and windows machines works today (this problem is not as big as you try to present here). Your arguments like debate about linux monolithic and minix micro kernel architecture. Minix is more advanced in theory, linux (not linux desktop) working in reality.
- ris 7y ago
  > god only knows how entire install base of mac and windows machines works today The issue being that, for a lot of people, they often work a little too well. If you're going to follow the philosophy that caring about the correctness, lack of duplication and security of an installed application is too esoteric to be relevant, I'll remind you that you're entirely free to do that to any extent you like with linux. Equally people like me are free to tell people who do that that they will receive no support from me for such a setup.