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Here is the deal. People own the land on both sides of the ICW. While the "riparian" rights are being fought in court, it's coming down to "do I own the water

Here is the deal. People own the land on both sides of the ICW. While the "riparian" rights are being fought in court, it's coming down to "do I own the water line". If I do then I can control the water line to the center of the channel. Before the nonsense of a Sean boat, they owned to the high tide line. But now they can point to a boat with issues (Sean's boat) they can make a claim out to mid channel. Blocking him from anchoring. You ask "Can he / we be arrested and the answer is yes. Yes in Florida and a growing segment in Georgia and the Carolina's. There is no power balance at the Sean level. There is at the boater association level. But Sean isn't helping us going "We are responsible boaters with motive power and boats that look like they will last the next 36 hours. Nietzschean sense has SFA to do with the GA legislature. You are throwing a theoretical against a "This Shit is Happening Now" The GA legislature is listening to tax payers not Nietzschean sense. This is a real thing, not some textbook quiz.

icebraining 7y ago
> Sean isn't helping us The question is: why should he? Maybe he's OK with doing what he's doing and moving on when he's forced to, rather than following your appeasement strategy.
- AstroJetson 7y ago
  I see your point, I wrote a bad sentence. Let me try again. Sean is hurting us. He's setting an example about people that want to get away and do their own thing. And his example, of a derelict boat, sets the groups that can make it even harder against all cruisers. So he can come into an area, get the locals to pass laws to stop free anchoring, and he is "moving on when he's forced to." Lather, rinse, repeat down the ICW, and soon it's all closed to open anchoring. This is actually happening, Sean and people like him is slowly getting the anchorages closed. I'm excited to live in a world where people think it's ok for the few to ruin it for the many. If we all play nice, then we can have nice things. But people decide the want to things their way without thinking of the long term consequences. And while you think, sheesh it's one guy on a boat, the reality is he got press coverage and while a few are going Ohhh FOSS software, nomad life, this guy is styling. Lots of others with clout are going, Boat about to sink in my river and create a huge problem, let stop this guy and the rest from doing it. They don't have surgical tools, they simply say "no more free anchoring within a 1000 yards of a structure", which effectively closes down most of the ICW. Hope this was a better set of sentences.
  - seandepagnier 7y ago
    @astrojetson You seem to be a snobby boater. You remind me of the "yacht club" commadore in new jersey who waited around for me to show up so he could tell me about all the things I couldn't do (that I hadn't even done) I found this attitude only exists in the USA, New Zealand out of the 30 countries I sailed. All the other places people are more rational. Fortunately it's a small percentage even in these places. The fact is, my boat is more seaworthy than many that cross the sea every year. All the really important things are sound. I do have a life jacket just so I can pass the coast guard inspection. Never used it. The only thing you or anyone else manages to criticize me of are cosmetic issues. Saying my boat will likely sink is judging a book by it's cover. You can't tell if a boat is going to sink by looking at pictures of it! The proposed "solutions" such as paint or scrubbing all consume resources and energy, and in some cases also cause pollution. So these are actually a negative impact for everyone. If it becomes impossible to anchor somewhere from too many selfish people, I'm not sure why I would want to anchor in that place anyway. There are plenty of other places (and countries) where this will never happen.
  - Bakary 7y ago
    >I'm excited to live in a world where people think it's ok for the few to ruin it for the many. You already live in this world. Why does Sean get all of the moral blame, instead of the wealthy landowners who casually decide on a whim what the laws are?

icebraining 7y ago

> Sean isn't helping us The question is: why should he? Maybe he's OK with doing what he's doing and moving on when he's forced to, rather than following your appeasement strategy.

AstroJetson 7y ago
I see your point, I wrote a bad sentence. Let me try again. Sean is hurting us. He's setting an example about people that want to get away and do their own thing. And his example, of a derelict boat, sets the groups that can make it even harder against all cruisers. So he can come into an area, get the locals to pass laws to stop free anchoring, and he is "moving on when he's forced to." Lather, rinse, repeat down the ICW, and soon it's all closed to open anchoring. This is actually happening, Sean and people like him is slowly getting the anchorages closed. I'm excited to live in a world where people think it's ok for the few to ruin it for the many. If we all play nice, then we can have nice things. But people decide the want to things their way without thinking of the long term consequences. And while you think, sheesh it's one guy on a boat, the reality is he got press coverage and while a few are going Ohhh FOSS software, nomad life, this guy is styling. Lots of others with clout are going, Boat about to sink in my river and create a huge problem, let stop this guy and the rest from doing it. They don't have surgical tools, they simply say "no more free anchoring within a 1000 yards of a structure", which effectively closes down most of the ICW. Hope this was a better set of sentences.
- seandepagnier 7y ago
  @astrojetson You seem to be a snobby boater. You remind me of the "yacht club" commadore in new jersey who waited around for me to show up so he could tell me about all the things I couldn't do (that I hadn't even done) I found this attitude only exists in the USA, New Zealand out of the 30 countries I sailed. All the other places people are more rational. Fortunately it's a small percentage even in these places. The fact is, my boat is more seaworthy than many that cross the sea every year. All the really important things are sound. I do have a life jacket just so I can pass the coast guard inspection. Never used it. The only thing you or anyone else manages to criticize me of are cosmetic issues. Saying my boat will likely sink is judging a book by it's cover. You can't tell if a boat is going to sink by looking at pictures of it! The proposed "solutions" such as paint or scrubbing all consume resources and energy, and in some cases also cause pollution. So these are actually a negative impact for everyone. If it becomes impossible to anchor somewhere from too many selfish people, I'm not sure why I would want to anchor in that place anyway. There are plenty of other places (and countries) where this will never happen.
- Bakary 7y ago
  >I'm excited to live in a world where people think it's ok for the few to ruin it for the many. You already live in this world. Why does Sean get all of the moral blame, instead of the wealthy landowners who casually decide on a whim what the laws are?