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I'll bite since my fireworks got rained out. "NIMBY is at odds with freedom." What does that mean? The issue I was presenting has people that own the back yar

I'll bite since my fireworks got rained out. "NIMBY is at odds with freedom." What does that mean? The issue I was presenting has people that own the back yards that we used to be able to hang out in feel threatened by the owners of the boats. They want us to play nice in their "yards". They want to wake up, get their eggs Benedict and their Mimosa and sit on their McMansion deck and look across the pristine waters. Ok look there is a pretty sailboat, what a great day. Oh look there is what appears to be a derelict sailboat that hasn't been maintained and will sink in hours. CALL MY LAWYER! They are doing this now across the ICW. Am I supposed to go, "He's cool, he's writing FOSS software, it's for the good of all?" I run OpenCPN and I love it. But to be honest, if I pick between Sean doing FOSS Marine Software) and closing the ICW to me to anchor, I'll be at Garmin's (front door with a credit card). Being part of FOSS doesn't give you a free "do what you want" pass with the rest of what you do with your life. Mom says "Nice that you are important, it's more important that you are nice". Playing nice is a 2nd grade skill. People with the really nice back yards have money. And unless you place nice, they use that money against you. Help me in the balance with NIMBY in this case? Thanks!

Bakary 7y ago
Your commentary on the man's life encapsulates many of the reasons that could make a person want to just ditch civilization and live on a boat. - Constant worry about looking proper - Constant worry about your reputation (when people are probably busy thinking about their own reputation instead of yours) - A large amount of legal restrictions around anything at all - Telling people what to do so that they conform to your expectations - Wealthy people determining the legal and regulatory landscape according to their needs - Less wealthy people losing sleep over whether they are pleasing those wealthy people - Less wealthy people badgering even less wealthy people so that they do what the wealthy people want I don't necessarily think that his lifestyle is the best idea or that he is an enlightened sage, but the contrast between the two world views is captivating. > Mom says "Nice that you are important, it's more important that you are nice". Playing nice is a 2nd grade skill. If you define "nice" as just doing what wealthier people want because of incentives to do so. In a more Nietzschean sense, being nice is what you have to be when you are powerless. If you turn the calculus the other way, it's worth asking what incentives the lad has to listen to demands. Can he be arrested or have his boat taken away? I don't have the answers to these questions, but I do wonder what the power balance is in this case.
- AstroJetson 7y ago
  Here is the deal. People own the land on both sides of the ICW. While the "riparian" rights are being fought in court, it's coming down to "do I own the water line". If I do then I can control the water line to the center of the channel. Before the nonsense of a Sean boat, they owned to the high tide line. But now they can point to a boat with issues (Sean's boat) they can make a claim out to mid channel. Blocking him from anchoring. You ask "Can he / we be arrested and the answer is yes. Yes in Florida and a growing segment in Georgia and the Carolina's. There is no power balance at the Sean level. There is at the boater association level. But Sean isn't helping us going "We are responsible boaters with motive power and boats that look like they will last the next 36 hours. Nietzschean sense has SFA to do with the GA legislature. You are throwing a theoretical against a "This Shit is Happening Now" The GA legislature is listening to tax payers not Nietzschean sense. This is a real thing, not some textbook quiz.
  - icebraining 7y ago
    > Sean isn't helping us The question is: why should he? Maybe he's OK with doing what he's doing and moving on when he's forced to, rather than following your appeasement strategy.
    - AstroJetson 7y ago
      I see your point, I wrote a bad sentence. Let me try again. Sean is hurting us. He's setting an example about people that want to get away and do their own thing. And his example, of a derelict boat, sets the groups that can make it even harder against all cruisers. So he can come into an area, get the locals to pass laws to stop free anchoring, and he is "moving on when he's forced to." Lather, rinse, repeat down the ICW, and soon it's all closed to open anchoring. This is actually happening, Sean and people like him is slowly getting the anchorages closed. I'm excited to live in a world where people think it's ok for the few to ruin it for the many. If we all play nice, then we can have nice things. But people decide the want to things their way without thinking of the long term consequences. And while you think, sheesh it's one guy on a boat, the reality is he got press coverage and while a few are going Ohhh FOSS software, nomad life, this guy is styling. Lots of others with clout are going, Boat about to sink in my river and create a huge problem, let stop this guy and the rest from doing it. They don't have surgical tools, they simply say "no more free anchoring within a 1000 yards of a structure", which effectively closes down most of the ICW. Hope this was a better set of sentences.

Bakary 7y ago

Your commentary on the man's life encapsulates many of the reasons that could make a person want to just ditch civilization and live on a boat. - Constant worry about looking proper - Constant worry about your reputation (when people are probably busy thinking about their own reputation instead of yours) - A large amount of legal restrictions around anything at all - Telling people what to do so that they conform to your expectations - Wealthy people determining the legal and regulatory landscape according to their needs - Less wealthy people losing sleep over whether they are pleasing those wealthy people - Less wealthy people badgering even less wealthy people so that they do what the wealthy people want I don't necessarily think that his lifestyle is the best idea or that he is an enlightened sage, but the contrast between the two world views is captivating. > Mom says "Nice that you are important, it's more important that you are nice". Playing nice is a 2nd grade skill. If you define "nice" as just doing what wealthier people want because of incentives to do so. In a more Nietzschean sense, being nice is what you have to be when you are powerless. If you turn the calculus the other way, it's worth asking what incentives the lad has to listen to demands. Can he be arrested or have his boat taken away? I don't have the answers to these questions, but I do wonder what the power balance is in this case.

AstroJetson 7y ago
Here is the deal. People own the land on both sides of the ICW. While the "riparian" rights are being fought in court, it's coming down to "do I own the water line". If I do then I can control the water line to the center of the channel. Before the nonsense of a Sean boat, they owned to the high tide line. But now they can point to a boat with issues (Sean's boat) they can make a claim out to mid channel. Blocking him from anchoring. You ask "Can he / we be arrested and the answer is yes. Yes in Florida and a growing segment in Georgia and the Carolina's. There is no power balance at the Sean level. There is at the boater association level. But Sean isn't helping us going "We are responsible boaters with motive power and boats that look like they will last the next 36 hours. Nietzschean sense has SFA to do with the GA legislature. You are throwing a theoretical against a "This Shit is Happening Now" The GA legislature is listening to tax payers not Nietzschean sense. This is a real thing, not some textbook quiz.
- icebraining 7y ago
  > Sean isn't helping us The question is: why should he? Maybe he's OK with doing what he's doing and moving on when he's forced to, rather than following your appeasement strategy.
  - AstroJetson 7y ago
    I see your point, I wrote a bad sentence. Let me try again. Sean is hurting us. He's setting an example about people that want to get away and do their own thing. And his example, of a derelict boat, sets the groups that can make it even harder against all cruisers. So he can come into an area, get the locals to pass laws to stop free anchoring, and he is "moving on when he's forced to." Lather, rinse, repeat down the ICW, and soon it's all closed to open anchoring. This is actually happening, Sean and people like him is slowly getting the anchorages closed. I'm excited to live in a world where people think it's ok for the few to ruin it for the many. If we all play nice, then we can have nice things. But people decide the want to things their way without thinking of the long term consequences. And while you think, sheesh it's one guy on a boat, the reality is he got press coverage and while a few are going Ohhh FOSS software, nomad life, this guy is styling. Lots of others with clout are going, Boat about to sink in my river and create a huge problem, let stop this guy and the rest from doing it. They don't have surgical tools, they simply say "no more free anchoring within a 1000 yards of a structure", which effectively closes down most of the ICW. Hope this was a better set of sentences.