I think they were just railing against the notion of self-contained libraries and frameworks that are capable of being used by developers in binary form. I'm gu

I think they were just railing against the notion of self-contained libraries and frameworks that are capable of being used by developers in binary form. I'm guessing a hobbyist who cares infinitely more about maximizing their own mental stimulation than about creating things and solving problems for other people on a professional basis. Nothing wrong with pure hobbyists, it just leads to weird conversations where different people clearly value different things for unspoken reasons, then get into unusually polarized arguments about engineering practices until everyone realizes that some people are talking about fun stuff they mess around with between classes, and other people are trying to figure out how to solve an immediate problem for an employer who's already given them a bunch of money in exchange for solving problems. Those are two very different conversations.