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Is it though? Bikes are stolen far more often than cars and you can't carry as much on a bicycle either. Furthermore, you can't really go shopping with the fami

Is it though? Bikes are stolen far more often than cars and you can't carry as much on a bicycle either. Furthermore, you can't really go shopping with the family as a group unless you have specific gear to allow you to do that, because kids aren't going to travel these distances. I like bicycles, but actually going to a store with a bike is an annoying experience. One that I wish could be improved.

abdullahkhalids 7y ago
I don't know where you live, but a lot of time this argument is given by people who live in car-centric cities or neighbourhoods. If you live in a walking/biking friendly neighbourhood (like I did for a few years), then the grocery store/community center/other family centric shops are within a 15 minute walk for everyone living in the neighbourhood, a distance pretty much any healthy person age 6-60 can cover via walking/biking. Whether you are walking or biking you can take a rolling cart with you, which is easy to push (walking or in front/behind your bike) and which will hold as much grocery as you need for a family. Like you have to understand that a city designed from scratch for cars and one designed for walking/biking look very very different. Biking in one is hard and driving in the other is just as hard.
- Mirioron 7y ago
  But sometimes you want to go shopping with the family to shops that you normally don't/can't visit. Everything that's within 15 minutes walking distance isn't going to be those shops. Regardless how you design a city, most shops even in a small city are going to be outside of that 15 minute walking distance too. The main problem I think is that there isn't always somewhere to put your bike safely when you go into the shops.
  - emj 7y ago
    That kind of thinking stems from having the car as a first choice, it's easy to go 50km with a car instead of 7km. If bicycle and walking become the first choice for short travels under 7 km then you will see that you can reach most things by bike, and are still able to take the car to do those far away shopping sprees. Yes bicycle parking is important, but it's relatively cheap, mostly because it does not need that much infrastructure.
jpcooper 7y ago
You can carry a lot on a bicycle. https://www.urbanarrow.com/en https://www.urbanarrow.com/en

abdullahkhalids 7y ago

I don't know where you live, but a lot of time this argument is given by people who live in car-centric cities or neighbourhoods. If you live in a walking/biking friendly neighbourhood (like I did for a few years), then the grocery store/community center/other family centric shops are within a 15 minute walk for everyone living in the neighbourhood, a distance pretty much any healthy person age 6-60 can cover via walking/biking. Whether you are walking or biking you can take a rolling cart with you, which is easy to push (walking or in front/behind your bike) and which will hold as much grocery as you need for a family. Like you have to understand that a city designed from scratch for cars and one designed for walking/biking look very very different. Biking in one is hard and driving in the other is just as hard.

Mirioron 7y ago
But sometimes you want to go shopping with the family to shops that you normally don't/can't visit. Everything that's within 15 minutes walking distance isn't going to be those shops. Regardless how you design a city, most shops even in a small city are going to be outside of that 15 minute walking distance too. The main problem I think is that there isn't always somewhere to put your bike safely when you go into the shops.
- emj 7y ago
  That kind of thinking stems from having the car as a first choice, it's easy to go 50km with a car instead of 7km. If bicycle and walking become the first choice for short travels under 7 km then you will see that you can reach most things by bike, and are still able to take the car to do those far away shopping sprees. Yes bicycle parking is important, but it's relatively cheap, mostly because it does not need that much infrastructure.

jpcooper 7y ago

You can carry a lot on a bicycle. https://www.urbanarrow.com/en https://www.urbanarrow.com/en