4 ms·

I do know people that can work extremely long hours and still be productive but they are quite rare. For a large majority of people a ninety hour work week, wou

I do know people that can work extremely long hours and still be productive but they are quite rare. For a large majority of people a ninety hour work week, would be extremely counter productive at best but most likely dangerous for your mental health. https://www.popsci.com/work-week-hours-productivity/ https://www.popsci.com/work-week-hours-productivity/

agumonkey 7y ago
I'm curious about the nature of the 90hours per week too. Is it ~slow paced work, no rushing but constantly walking ideas and attempts ? Can they endure 90 hours of hard dead ends / frustration / disappointment ? Or is it 90hours of tangible progress (lets include small dead ends that provide nice references for more ideas) and pleasure ?
- unreal37 7y ago
  Newport's book puts the distinction between deep work and shallow work. Calling up restaurants and trying to get them to switch to your booking software is shallow work. Needing to sit down and program the complete back end of that booking software including testing by Friday is deep work. You can only do so much deep work before your reserves of energy are depleted.
  - sonabinu 7y ago
    One of the challenges of deep work is getting in the zone. Does the book go over that?
    - wainstead 7y ago
      If by "zone" you mean "flow," then yes; here's a relevant quote from Deep Work: > The connection between deep work and flow should be clear: Deep work is an activity well suited to generate a flow state (the phrases used by Csikszentmihalyi to describe what generates flow include notions of stretching your mind to its limits, concentrating, and losing yourself in an activity—all of which also describe deep work). And as we just learned, flow generates happiness. Combining these two ideas we get a powerful argument from psychology in favor of depth. Decades of research stemming from Csikszentmihalyi’s original ESM experiments validate that the act of going deep orders the consciousness in a way that makes life worthwhile." Newport, Cal. Deep Work: Rules for Focused Success in a Distracted World (p. 85). Grand Central Publishing. Kindle Edition.
  - hyperpape 7y ago
    The assumption that programming is deep work seems like a self-serving prejudice. Which parts of it are automatic will differ from person to person, but I imagine that a substantial majority of programmers will spend a substantial chunk of their programming work doing things that are shallow to them.

agumonkey 7y ago

I'm curious about the nature of the 90hours per week too. Is it ~slow paced work, no rushing but constantly walking ideas and attempts ? Can they endure 90 hours of hard dead ends / frustration / disappointment ? Or is it 90hours of tangible progress (lets include small dead ends that provide nice references for more ideas) and pleasure ?

unreal37 7y ago
Newport's book puts the distinction between deep work and shallow work. Calling up restaurants and trying to get them to switch to your booking software is shallow work. Needing to sit down and program the complete back end of that booking software including testing by Friday is deep work. You can only do so much deep work before your reserves of energy are depleted.
- sonabinu 7y ago
  One of the challenges of deep work is getting in the zone. Does the book go over that?
  - wainstead 7y ago
    If by "zone" you mean "flow," then yes; here's a relevant quote from Deep Work: > The connection between deep work and flow should be clear: Deep work is an activity well suited to generate a flow state (the phrases used by Csikszentmihalyi to describe what generates flow include notions of stretching your mind to its limits, concentrating, and losing yourself in an activity—all of which also describe deep work). And as we just learned, flow generates happiness. Combining these two ideas we get a powerful argument from psychology in favor of depth. Decades of research stemming from Csikszentmihalyi’s original ESM experiments validate that the act of going deep orders the consciousness in a way that makes life worthwhile." Newport, Cal. Deep Work: Rules for Focused Success in a Distracted World (p. 85). Grand Central Publishing. Kindle Edition.
- hyperpape 7y ago
  The assumption that programming is deep work seems like a self-serving prejudice. Which parts of it are automatic will differ from person to person, but I imagine that a substantial majority of programmers will spend a substantial chunk of their programming work doing things that are shallow to them.