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I assume - I don't know, but my guess is the 81% are simply quickly stopped asked to prove their identification. Once they show their drivers license or any oth

I assume - I don't know, but my guess is the 81% are simply quickly stopped asked to prove their identification. Once they show their drivers license or any other basic form of ID that proves they are not the suspect they are free to go. I highly highly doubt they are detained, frisked, or even slight questioned beyond being asked to proof who they are. To me, that seems reasonable. In fact I've been randomly asked to show my ID in various countries - cop simply stopped me and asked me to show my identification.

NeedMoreTea 7y ago
There's no ID requirement in the UK[1]. Driving licence forms a de facto ID for those who have one, but you don't even need to carry it when driving, let alone when walking! So potentially gets far more involved, and yet another small chip is taken from those Peelian principles (Policing by consent by citizens in uniform). [1] There's several voluntary ID schemes for younger folks to prove they're old enough to be in a bar, buy alcohol or cigarettes etc.
- stordoff 7y ago
  To that point, I routinely travel to London without ID (nearest ID would be at home two hours away). Last time I went there, I just had cash, Oyster card probably not in my name (I borrow one from family if I can't find me mine), and my phone. Getting stopped and asked for ID could be a problem, and I don't feel like I should have to carry any.
- xmichael999 7y ago
  I was no aware the UK does not require that you carry ID. I'm not sure how I feel about that law, in my experience most of the world requires you to carry ID. I don't see it at all unreasonable that an adult be required to carry ID at all times. I am Canadian by birth and Canada has the same policy but in practice it is best to carry your ID. I've live around the world and everywhere that I know of outside of europe and the english speaking world requires you to carry some form of government issued ID.
  - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
    Ireland and Australia don't, or didn't, not sure about others. The UK had them through the war and got rid in the 50s because they were thought an infringement of civil liberties - because police were asking to see them as habit, not for reasons of suspicion - funny how attitudes change. Not having ID makes something like facial recognition stations set up in the street seem an even larger overreach. We're supposed to be able to go about our business without interference unless suspected of something. OK, it doesn't always work quite that way in practice, but the principle used to be much clearer, and far better respected... I rather resent losing that. It made for a bit of an oddity back where there were the troubles in Northern Ireland and the heavily policed border between north and south. You could get on to a ferry to Dublin from the UK with nothing. No ID, no passport, nowt. I did that several times, I don't remember anything other than a ticket check. Change some pounds into Irish pounds when you get there.
Gibbon1 7y ago
Black friend had a common first and last name. Every interaction with the police involved being held at gunpoint. He changed his last name when he got married to something unique. And now the cops don't pull guns on him anymore. What happens to a poor sap who the facial detection system thinks looks like a known violent criminal? In the UK it means constant harassment. In the US it means eventually getting shot.

NeedMoreTea 7y ago

There's no ID requirement in the UK[1]. Driving licence forms a de facto ID for those who have one, but you don't even need to carry it when driving, let alone when walking! So potentially gets far more involved, and yet another small chip is taken from those Peelian principles (Policing by consent by citizens in uniform). [1] There's several voluntary ID schemes for younger folks to prove they're old enough to be in a bar, buy alcohol or cigarettes etc.

stordoff 7y ago
To that point, I routinely travel to London without ID (nearest ID would be at home two hours away). Last time I went there, I just had cash, Oyster card probably not in my name (I borrow one from family if I can't find me mine), and my phone. Getting stopped and asked for ID could be a problem, and I don't feel like I should have to carry any.
xmichael999 7y ago
I was no aware the UK does not require that you carry ID. I'm not sure how I feel about that law, in my experience most of the world requires you to carry ID. I don't see it at all unreasonable that an adult be required to carry ID at all times. I am Canadian by birth and Canada has the same policy but in practice it is best to carry your ID. I've live around the world and everywhere that I know of outside of europe and the english speaking world requires you to carry some form of government issued ID.
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  Ireland and Australia don't, or didn't, not sure about others. The UK had them through the war and got rid in the 50s because they were thought an infringement of civil liberties - because police were asking to see them as habit, not for reasons of suspicion - funny how attitudes change. Not having ID makes something like facial recognition stations set up in the street seem an even larger overreach. We're supposed to be able to go about our business without interference unless suspected of something. OK, it doesn't always work quite that way in practice, but the principle used to be much clearer, and far better respected... I rather resent losing that. It made for a bit of an oddity back where there were the troubles in Northern Ireland and the heavily policed border between north and south. You could get on to a ferry to Dublin from the UK with nothing. No ID, no passport, nowt. I did that several times, I don't remember anything other than a ticket check. Change some pounds into Irish pounds when you get there.

Gibbon1 7y ago

Black friend had a common first and last name. Every interaction with the police involved being held at gunpoint. He changed his last name when he got married to something unique. And now the cops don't pull guns on him anymore. What happens to a poor sap who the facial detection system thinks looks like a known violent criminal? In the UK it means constant harassment. In the US it means eventually getting shot.