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Great comment. This is easy stuff: * If someone from a marginalized (or tbh, any other) group says, "Please call me XYZ", do it * If you use the wrong term, b

Great comment. This is easy stuff: * If someone from a marginalized (or tbh, any other) group says, "Please call me XYZ", do it * If you use the wrong term, briefly apologize and use the right one instead. That's all you gotta do.

SamReidHughes 7y ago
Wrong, you should do the opposite, because they want to control how you think, and you have a duty to keep your thought independent.
- anaisbetts 7y ago
  Who exactly is "they" here?
- krapp 7y ago
  >Wrong, you should do the opposite, because they want to control how you think, and you have a duty to keep your thought independent. But... "doing the opposite" as some kind of "duty" because you believe marginalized groups want to control your thoughts is the antithesis of having "independent" thought. Please tell me this place has just broken my ability to detect irony.
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  Hm. Where's the line with this? Would you call your partner what they asked you to call them, or avoid something they say they don't like? What about relatives, friends and neighbours?
SpaceRaccoon 7y ago
> Three quarters of African Americans oppose political correctness. This means that they are only four percentage points less likely than whites Why does the author use "African Americans" and then "whites"? I prefer "European American", thank you.
- wtdata 7y ago
  Because saying "blacks" is politically incorrect while saying "whites" is just fine. Which interestingly just goes further to exemplify this state of "politically correctness gone extreme" which the author is warning us about.
- Niksko 7y ago
  Cool, I'll call you a European American. It's that easy.
cljs-js-eval 7y ago
This doesn't pass a very basic sniff test. All marginalized groups need is to be called some specific terms? This is entirely a question of terminology rather than a fight by marginalized people to achieve specific, better outcomes? That view is so convenient that I have a hard time believing that it's right. edited to remove a typo
- anaisbetts 7y ago
  I was specifically addressing the anxiety that people are feeling about "saying the wrong thing" and offending someone, it's certainly not all that needs to be done to end marginalization, but many of the other things such as preventing housing and employment discrimination aren't on individuals to fix, it's on the government to enforce
- krapp 7y ago
  > All marginalized groups need is to be called some specific terms? This is entirely a question of terminology rather than a fight by marginalized people to achieve specific, better outcomes? Calling someone by the terms they prefer is a baseline for common courtesy, from which those better outcomes can follow. Nowhere is it claimed that this is "all marginalized groups need," rather that it's simply the least you can, and should, do. >That view is so convenient that I have a hard time believing that it's right. It isn't right, because you're purposely misrepresenting it an attempt to discredit it through a false dichotomy. Also I don't understand what's "convenient" about it. Are we supposed to infer an ulterior motive on the part of people who want to be called by a certain pronoun?
tomohawk 7y ago
All you gotta do is call me Your Royal Highness.

SamReidHughes 7y ago

Wrong, you should do the opposite, because they want to control how you think, and you have a duty to keep your thought independent.

anaisbetts 7y ago
Who exactly is "they" here?
krapp 7y ago
>Wrong, you should do the opposite, because they want to control how you think, and you have a duty to keep your thought independent. But... "doing the opposite" as some kind of "duty" because you believe marginalized groups want to control your thoughts is the antithesis of having "independent" thought. Please tell me this place has just broken my ability to detect irony.
NeedMoreTea 7y ago
Hm. Where's the line with this? Would you call your partner what they asked you to call them, or avoid something they say they don't like? What about relatives, friends and neighbours?

SpaceRaccoon 7y ago

> Three quarters of African Americans oppose political correctness. This means that they are only four percentage points less likely than whites Why does the author use "African Americans" and then "whites"? I prefer "European American", thank you.

wtdata 7y ago
Because saying "blacks" is politically incorrect while saying "whites" is just fine. Which interestingly just goes further to exemplify this state of "politically correctness gone extreme" which the author is warning us about.
Niksko 7y ago
Cool, I'll call you a European American. It's that easy.

cljs-js-eval 7y ago

This doesn't pass a very basic sniff test. All marginalized groups need is to be called some specific terms? This is entirely a question of terminology rather than a fight by marginalized people to achieve specific, better outcomes? That view is so convenient that I have a hard time believing that it's right. edited to remove a typo

anaisbetts 7y ago
I was specifically addressing the anxiety that people are feeling about "saying the wrong thing" and offending someone, it's certainly not all that needs to be done to end marginalization, but many of the other things such as preventing housing and employment discrimination aren't on individuals to fix, it's on the government to enforce
krapp 7y ago
> All marginalized groups need is to be called some specific terms? This is entirely a question of terminology rather than a fight by marginalized people to achieve specific, better outcomes? Calling someone by the terms they prefer is a baseline for common courtesy, from which those better outcomes can follow. Nowhere is it claimed that this is "all marginalized groups need," rather that it's simply the least you can, and should, do. >That view is so convenient that I have a hard time believing that it's right. It isn't right, because you're purposely misrepresenting it an attempt to discredit it through a false dichotomy. Also I don't understand what's "convenient" about it. Are we supposed to infer an ulterior motive on the part of people who want to be called by a certain pronoun?

tomohawk 7y ago

All you gotta do is call me Your Royal Highness.