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This reminds me of brexit : if the brexit vote had only been open to younger voters, "stay" would have won by a landslide. Which makes me very uneasy, the peop

This reminds me of brexit : if the brexit vote had only been open to younger voters, "stay" would have won by a landslide. Which makes me very uneasy, the people that won't have to feel the negative consequences of Brexit are the ones that voted for it. Same for climate change. I guess my reflexion will just end up in "democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time" since I don't see a solution to this.

yyyk 7y ago
In the 2017 French elections, younger voters' top two candidates were Mélenchon and Le Pen: https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/856228943464210433/photo/1 https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/856228943464210433/p... I wonder if the appreciation for younger voters extends there too.
- on_and_off 7y ago
  how is that related to my point ?
  - yyyk 7y ago
    There's a recent argument that younger people have the better right to a vote and are more in touch with the world. I was wondering whether that newfound appreciation for younger voters extends also to cases where they vote in way that is probably not supported by whomever makes that argument - I hear a lot of that from British 'Remain' people, but had French young voters got their way, it would not have mattered however the British voted: there wouldn't have been much of an EU to remain in. To reply directly to your point: people with more to lose don't get more voting rights than people with with less to lose. Had that been the case, the biggest difference would not be age-based - it would be giving wealthy people the vote while denying it to the poor. I thought that argument was settled. Also, voters are not individualistic atoms, but have people they care about. It can be argued younger people face less consequences because they have less people to protect.
    - on_and_off 7y ago
      Looks like you are really intended on strawanning me. The point isn't about wealth distribution or whether I like that people vote for Le Pen.

yyyk 7y ago

In the 2017 French elections, younger voters' top two candidates were Mélenchon and Le Pen: https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/856228943464210433/photo/1 https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/856228943464210433/p... I wonder if the appreciation for younger voters extends there too.

on_and_off 7y ago
how is that related to my point ?
- yyyk 7y ago
  There's a recent argument that younger people have the better right to a vote and are more in touch with the world. I was wondering whether that newfound appreciation for younger voters extends also to cases where they vote in way that is probably not supported by whomever makes that argument - I hear a lot of that from British 'Remain' people, but had French young voters got their way, it would not have mattered however the British voted: there wouldn't have been much of an EU to remain in. To reply directly to your point: people with more to lose don't get more voting rights than people with with less to lose. Had that been the case, the biggest difference would not be age-based - it would be giving wealthy people the vote while denying it to the poor. I thought that argument was settled. Also, voters are not individualistic atoms, but have people they care about. It can be argued younger people face less consequences because they have less people to protect.
  - on_and_off 7y ago
    Looks like you are really intended on strawanning me. The point isn't about wealth distribution or whether I like that people vote for Le Pen.