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Hong Kong mothers march in support of anti-extradition students

132 points by realshadow 7y ago

mamoswine 7y ago
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- hi5eyes 7y ago
  ya lets start a petition and protest!
- microcolonel 7y ago
  At the personal level, I prefer to consume from and do business with Taiwan anyway. The CCP and their third-rate institutions and lapdogs have caused me considerable inconvenience, and they are completely unaccountable, so it's an easy choice.
- tinza123 7y ago
  You should join the army and fight for that.
- thefounder 7y ago
  What makes China "the enemy"?
  - scarcelycoher 7y ago
    It's good for a society to have a enemy. Suicide rates are way lower during war time than during peace time, and people are much nicer to each other. Also it keeps people busy and give their life meaning and a sense of purpose.
  - meruru 7y ago
    It's a dictatorship with no concern for human rights. You decide whether to call it an "enemy" or not, but I think we should definitely avoid doing business with them.
    - thefounder 7y ago
      Yeah yeah yeah... Is Saudi Arabia an enemy too? You can lie yourself all day long but America doesn't stand for democracy, freedom and all that BS. It stands for its interests. The moral values are invoked only when they are aligned with US's interests.
      - meruru 7y ago
        >Saudi Arabia an enemy too Drop the "enemy" talk. If there are good reasons not to do business with Saudi Arabia you can state them and if there are good reasons not to do business with America you can state those as well. None of that is relevant to whether there are good reasons to not do business with China.
        thefounder 7y ago
        That's my point too. It's just business. Democracy, human rights and freedom have no value. Saudi Arabia beheads, hangs people in public squares, butchers reporters and does everything an "evil" government could do. However it is praised(by the US) as a great "beautiful" country and gets the latest "beautiful" military gear to spread its "goodness" to other countries such Yemen. If there is one example that clears the fog about the US's stance on business and human rights that is Saudi Arabia. I'm pretty sure the US would do business with a Nazi Europe as well if Hitler would have persuaded the US to become business partners instead of war enemies.
kiernanmcgowan 7y ago
The podcast “Revolutions” by Mike Duncan makes these protests a fascinating watch - are they the tipping point that causes a regime to shift, or the effort that later generations point to for inspiration if change does not happen?
- bluejekyll 7y ago
  How should this be contrasted with Tiananmen Square? Was that a “shift” towards a more capitalist system?
  - 420codebro 7y ago
    Lmao no doubt the chongs started stealing shit around that time.
  - andrekandre 7y ago
    tiananmen square protests were originally protesting that very transition toward a more capitalist-like system in china and growing anxiety toward it and the communist party’s apparent inability to handle it well; hence the push for democracy (not necessarily the liberal western democracy most would imagine) [1]http://www.tsquare.tv/links/Walder.html http://www.tsquare.tv/links/Walder.html [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests in both cases maybe you could say students were protesting what they saw as corruption and a corrupt system and to save what they felt was the ideal that they grew up with (democratic socialism in china, liberal democracy in hongkong)? [edit] formatting links
- AFascistWorld 7y ago
  Yeah, to shift toward a harder grip. HK won't be allowed to be the stronghold, the CCP will be happy to see those dissidents leaving, and the majority of mainland Chinese don't like HK anyway.
  - hker 7y ago
    IF (a big if) it is really the case that 1. the majority of mainland Chinese don’t like Hong Kong, and 2. the majority of Hong Kong don’t like mainland Chinese, shouldn’t the two separate, instead of letting CCP grip harder to Hong Kong?

132 points by realshadow 7y ago

mamoswine 7y ago

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hi5eyes 7y ago
ya lets start a petition and protest!
microcolonel 7y ago
At the personal level, I prefer to consume from and do business with Taiwan anyway. The CCP and their third-rate institutions and lapdogs have caused me considerable inconvenience, and they are completely unaccountable, so it's an easy choice.
tinza123 7y ago
You should join the army and fight for that.
thefounder 7y ago
What makes China "the enemy"?
- scarcelycoher 7y ago
  It's good for a society to have a enemy. Suicide rates are way lower during war time than during peace time, and people are much nicer to each other. Also it keeps people busy and give their life meaning and a sense of purpose.
- meruru 7y ago
  It's a dictatorship with no concern for human rights. You decide whether to call it an "enemy" or not, but I think we should definitely avoid doing business with them.
  - thefounder 7y ago
    Yeah yeah yeah... Is Saudi Arabia an enemy too? You can lie yourself all day long but America doesn't stand for democracy, freedom and all that BS. It stands for its interests. The moral values are invoked only when they are aligned with US's interests.
    - meruru 7y ago
      >Saudi Arabia an enemy too Drop the "enemy" talk. If there are good reasons not to do business with Saudi Arabia you can state them and if there are good reasons not to do business with America you can state those as well. None of that is relevant to whether there are good reasons to not do business with China.
      - thefounder 7y ago
        That's my point too. It's just business. Democracy, human rights and freedom have no value. Saudi Arabia beheads, hangs people in public squares, butchers reporters and does everything an "evil" government could do. However it is praised(by the US) as a great "beautiful" country and gets the latest "beautiful" military gear to spread its "goodness" to other countries such Yemen. If there is one example that clears the fog about the US's stance on business and human rights that is Saudi Arabia. I'm pretty sure the US would do business with a Nazi Europe as well if Hitler would have persuaded the US to become business partners instead of war enemies.

kiernanmcgowan 7y ago

The podcast “Revolutions” by Mike Duncan makes these protests a fascinating watch - are they the tipping point that causes a regime to shift, or the effort that later generations point to for inspiration if change does not happen?

bluejekyll 7y ago
How should this be contrasted with Tiananmen Square? Was that a “shift” towards a more capitalist system?
- 420codebro 7y ago
  Lmao no doubt the chongs started stealing shit around that time.
- andrekandre 7y ago
  tiananmen square protests were originally protesting that very transition toward a more capitalist-like system in china and growing anxiety toward it and the communist party’s apparent inability to handle it well; hence the push for democracy (not necessarily the liberal western democracy most would imagine) [1]http://www.tsquare.tv/links/Walder.html http://www.tsquare.tv/links/Walder.html [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests in both cases maybe you could say students were protesting what they saw as corruption and a corrupt system and to save what they felt was the ideal that they grew up with (democratic socialism in china, liberal democracy in hongkong)? [edit] formatting links
AFascistWorld 7y ago
Yeah, to shift toward a harder grip. HK won't be allowed to be the stronghold, the CCP will be happy to see those dissidents leaving, and the majority of mainland Chinese don't like HK anyway.
- hker 7y ago
  IF (a big if) it is really the case that 1. the majority of mainland Chinese don’t like Hong Kong, and 2. the majority of Hong Kong don’t like mainland Chinese, shouldn’t the two separate, instead of letting CCP grip harder to Hong Kong?