4 ms·

It’s been more convenient to charge than pump gas since the original Roadster, but inertia is real. However Tesla single handedly created this industry and ado

It’s been more convenient to charge than pump gas since the original Roadster, but inertia is real. However Tesla single handedly created this industry and adoption have been pretty good IMO. Norway [1] is proof that the only thing holding back good EVs is price and that’s largely about the battery. [1] incentives mades Tesla far more affordable about over 50% of ALL cars sold were Teslas (last year?)

kevinventullo 7y ago
According to Tesla's website, it takes 30 min to charge with a supercharger. That seems much less convenient than the 2 or so minutes it takes to fill a tank.
- vikramkr 7y ago
  You cant fill up your tank at home. Imagine if your phone could charge up fully within 3 minutes, but that you couldn't charge it at any outlet or overnight and needed to stop by special phone charging stations every couple days to charge it up. More convenient in some ways if it lasts longer and charges faster, but you have to go to special stations now and cant just wake up with full charge
  - cr0sh 7y ago
    One thing I can do, though, with an ICE vehicle (granted - only safely with trucks and similar) is carry a can (or more) of fuel with me, and the extra weight of that fuel is minimal in comparison. Meaning I can travel much further or refill in an emergency as needed, if I don't have any way of getting fuel otherwise. I can't see how this would ever be possible with a battery; you can't carry around a partial battery (well, you could - in theory - but install it?), and full-sized battery is going to be difficult to carry around (and possibly impossible to install). This is important for certain vehicle types - namely off-road vehicles. Such vehicles tend to consume more fuel (for various reasons), and off-road you may be far from people, let alone a gas station. Plus you may want to do a longer trail (or need to for some reason - maybe a detour forces you off your original route to a longer one) while still being able to get back to civilization at the end. Being able to stop and refuel on the trail is important. Until battery tech gets to the point where that's no longer the problem, I can't see off-road vehicles being anything but ICE. Perhaps if they could double or more the range of current batteries, that would probably do it - I say that much because off-road vehicles, due to weight, size, and such already drop current batteries to the point where you're lucky to go 75 miles on a charge off-road; though that's only known with some custom conversions - a purpose built off-road electric vehicle might be different. Which I honestly hope happens - there are a ton of advantages to be gained off-roading by electrics; the instant all-wheel traction control alone would be a game changer - not to mention the sheer torque and torque availability.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- thrill 7y ago
  It depends on how you define convenience. Since the vast majority of my (and most others') driving is local, I charge my i3 every night from a plain old 120V wall outlet. I have a "full tank" every morning. I travel long distance very seldom, and if 30 minute charges won't fit my future desire for convenience then I grab a gas-powered rental. But I'm still quite content with how my needs are met with my electric.
- bsder 7y ago
  You don't remember the US even as recently as the mid 1970's. One of the big reasons for using the Interstates was the fact that gas was available at reliable intervals. But it could take you 10-15 minutes to get it. It wasn't until the likes of 7-11, Sheetz, Circle K, and all the other "24-hour convenience stores" started doing gas that getting a fillup was fast and convenient.

kevinventullo 7y ago

According to Tesla's website, it takes 30 min to charge with a supercharger. That seems much less convenient than the 2 or so minutes it takes to fill a tank.

vikramkr 7y ago
You cant fill up your tank at home. Imagine if your phone could charge up fully within 3 minutes, but that you couldn't charge it at any outlet or overnight and needed to stop by special phone charging stations every couple days to charge it up. More convenient in some ways if it lasts longer and charges faster, but you have to go to special stations now and cant just wake up with full charge
- cr0sh 7y ago
  One thing I can do, though, with an ICE vehicle (granted - only safely with trucks and similar) is carry a can (or more) of fuel with me, and the extra weight of that fuel is minimal in comparison. Meaning I can travel much further or refill in an emergency as needed, if I don't have any way of getting fuel otherwise. I can't see how this would ever be possible with a battery; you can't carry around a partial battery (well, you could - in theory - but install it?), and full-sized battery is going to be difficult to carry around (and possibly impossible to install). This is important for certain vehicle types - namely off-road vehicles. Such vehicles tend to consume more fuel (for various reasons), and off-road you may be far from people, let alone a gas station. Plus you may want to do a longer trail (or need to for some reason - maybe a detour forces you off your original route to a longer one) while still being able to get back to civilization at the end. Being able to stop and refuel on the trail is important. Until battery tech gets to the point where that's no longer the problem, I can't see off-road vehicles being anything but ICE. Perhaps if they could double or more the range of current batteries, that would probably do it - I say that much because off-road vehicles, due to weight, size, and such already drop current batteries to the point where you're lucky to go 75 miles on a charge off-road; though that's only known with some custom conversions - a purpose built off-road electric vehicle might be different. Which I honestly hope happens - there are a ton of advantages to be gained off-roading by electrics; the instant all-wheel traction control alone would be a game changer - not to mention the sheer torque and torque availability.
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]
thrill 7y ago
It depends on how you define convenience. Since the vast majority of my (and most others') driving is local, I charge my i3 every night from a plain old 120V wall outlet. I have a "full tank" every morning. I travel long distance very seldom, and if 30 minute charges won't fit my future desire for convenience then I grab a gas-powered rental. But I'm still quite content with how my needs are met with my electric.
bsder 7y ago
You don't remember the US even as recently as the mid 1970's. One of the big reasons for using the Interstates was the fact that gas was available at reliable intervals. But it could take you 10-15 minutes to get it. It wasn't until the likes of 7-11, Sheetz, Circle K, and all the other "24-hour convenience stores" started doing gas that getting a fillup was fast and convenient.