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> so my gut feeling This is absolutely the worst thing about HN. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzOv14fA-BI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzOv14fA-BI "I d

by DanBC 7y ago

> so my gut feeling This is absolutely the worst thing about HN. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzOv14fA-BI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzOv14fA-BI "I don't know anything about zoology, biology, geology, geography, marine biology, crypto zoology, evolutionary theory, evolutionary biology, meteorology, liminology, history, herpatology, paleontology, or archeology, but I think ..." We know from interviewing the children who were abused that they continue to be traumatised by the knowledge that images of them being raped are still available online. We also know that fear of people viewing the images causes children to avoid seeking help. Some children feel huge amounts of shame or guilt, and they wrongly[1] think that they will be seen as willing victims. You're also making the mistake of limiting your thoughts to images created by a local abuser - someone in the same room as the child. You need to remember that some images of CSE are created by the children after they've been groomed. [1] Although reading any HN thread which mentions images of CSE these children aren't far wrong.

lifeisstillgood 7y ago
>>> available online ... still causes them trauma Thank you. Consider my opinion changed. There is a clear reason to pursue this course of action, even if it is less effective at the root cause. Personally I think having my prejudices called out is one of the good things about HN. I still would love to see research on other approaches to tackling the root problem (i.e. the abuse not the images) (This would presumably included what properly funded social services look like, how cross-department co-operation can be improved, as well as the more "Big Society" suggestions.) I mean a frustrating part of this is that in almost always some political issue has had a "yes but in Country X they are trying a new system that has had huge success" and slowly a consensus forms around the right way to tackle the problem - but on CSE I have never come across even the right direction of travel. Finally I hope the threads you mention in your footnote are at an end - there is no willing victim, this is crime and vile crime at that. Edit: general tidying
- lifeisstillgood 7y ago
  Edit Edit: Rethinking this (frankly being called out is always time for reflection) I suppose my first request for my own education is to get a size of the problem - looking at the Rochdale case in the UK it is seemingly large - and can our knowledge of published images help size the problem.
DuskStar 7y ago
> We know from interviewing the children who were abused that they continue to be traumatised by the knowledge that images of them being raped are still available online. Unfortunately, banning possession/distribution doesn't actually make things unavailable, so it fails to prevent this harm too... Though I suppose the knowledge that people are trying to track down and eliminate such content may help the victims in question.

by DanBC 7y ago

lifeisstillgood 7y ago

>>> available online ... still causes them trauma Thank you. Consider my opinion changed. There is a clear reason to pursue this course of action, even if it is less effective at the root cause. Personally I think having my prejudices called out is one of the good things about HN. I still would love to see research on other approaches to tackling the root problem (i.e. the abuse not the images) (This would presumably included what properly funded social services look like, how cross-department co-operation can be improved, as well as the more "Big Society" suggestions.) I mean a frustrating part of this is that in almost always some political issue has had a "yes but in Country X they are trying a new system that has had huge success" and slowly a consensus forms around the right way to tackle the problem - but on CSE I have never come across even the right direction of travel. Finally I hope the threads you mention in your footnote are at an end - there is no willing victim, this is crime and vile crime at that. Edit: general tidying

lifeisstillgood 7y ago
Edit Edit: Rethinking this (frankly being called out is always time for reflection) I suppose my first request for my own education is to get a size of the problem - looking at the Rochdale case in the UK it is seemingly large - and can our knowledge of published images help size the problem.

DuskStar 7y ago

> We know from interviewing the children who were abused that they continue to be traumatised by the knowledge that images of them being raped are still available online. Unfortunately, banning possession/distribution doesn't actually make things unavailable, so it fails to prevent this harm too... Though I suppose the knowledge that people are trying to track down and eliminate such content may help the victims in question.